Barbarian at the Gates: Uncle Bernie Raids the Fox House

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    • #55891
      Ohio Barbarian
      • Total Posts: 21,911

      When the DNC announced that they would not permit Fox News to host any of the Democratic primary debates, I really didn’t think all that much about it. I couldn’t blame them, really, for Fox News was founded as a propaganda arm of the Republican Party. Its purpose, besides making a boatload of money for Rupert Murdoch, was to allow Republicans to broadcast their bullshit right into televisions in living rooms without having to go through those pesky journalistic gatekeepers who had a habit of pointing out the flat-out lies, exaggerations, and other untruths that the Republicans had been relying on to try to win elections since Goldwater ran for President.

      When it was announced that Bernie Sanders was going on a town hall hosted by Fox News, I figured that the wily old social democratic curmudgeon would do just fine simply because he is so much smarter than Fox’s overpaid talking heads. My only worry was that the crowd would be so stocked with Trumpsters that they would just shout him down, but Fox surprised me. They let a diverse audience in, and when Bernie nuked the helpless hosts after they trotted out their pathetic right wing nonsense, they actually cheered. I did not see that coming.

      Neither did anyone else.

      Bernie used a classic debate tactic–he led with the points he knew his opposition would make instead of running away from them, and responded with sword strokes of easily understandable and irrefutable facts. For example, when one host attacked him for wanting to raise our taxes to fund his Medicare-for-All, he admitted people’s taxes would go up some but countered with the fact that while we may pay higher payroll taxes, we would never again have to pay for far costlier monthly premiums or co-pays, and wouldn’t have to worry about deductibles or a health insurance corporation bean-counter refusing to cover some necessary treatment that our doctors prescribed.

      Furthermore, he drove home the point that nobody likes their health insurance companies; they may like their doctors, but not the insurance companies. And he emphasized the liberation Medicare-for-All would bring, for no one would feel tied to their jobs just so they could have health insurance if they got sick.

      Most importantly, he boldly stated that the Democrats cannot win just by attacking Trump, or by what I call the We Suck Less. or the Lesser of Two Evils, strategy. The Democrats can only unseat that Fascist bastard by offering Americans something tangibly better than what we have now. Then he proceeded to do just that, in spades.

      He was brilliantly effective, and by ignoring DNC advice got his message out to a couple of million people who otherwise may never have been aware of it. By doing this, he caused a political earthquake.

      For the first time, people in the corporate media started speculating that Bernie Sanders might actually win. That had never been a serious possibility for them before. The CEO of University Hospitals came out and said how hard they were working to stop Bernie’s idea, and only succeeded in looking like the entitled, privileged vampire that he is. Vichy Dem shill extraordinaire David Brock frantically called for an Anybody But Bernie movement in the Democratic Party, and highlighted the divide between progressive and corporate Democrats for all to see, but on Bernie’s terms instead of his.

      Karl Rove– Bush’s brain, dirty trickster, smear merchant, ruthless Republican propagandist, but nobody’s fool when it comes to election strategy–opined in the Wall Street Journal that Bernie can win this thing because he is the real change candidate. Trump lashed out at Fox News for not stacking the audience and just looked like the spoiled child that he is. VDs on SV just kept on keeping on with the assumption that Bernie can’t win because of the socialist label, without one iota of evidence to support their claim.

      At one stroke, Bernie Sanders shifted the all-important perception game. He is no longer the quixotic idealistic candidate who “everyone” knows doesn’t have a chance. Now he is perceived as the frontrunner at best and a formidable challenger to the Vichy Democrat order at worst. Now, lots of people who never took him seriously before, will, and it is probable that quite a few of them will start supporting him. In short, the Bernie bandwagon just got a lot bigger and picked up momentum.

      Bernie Sanders just showed America he knows how to run a national political campaign, and that he’s in it for the long haul. He intends to win, and he might just do it.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #55909
      Jan Boehmerman
      • Total Posts: 4,565

      I wonder if Bernie has been getting some really good  debate coaching.  As hard as they tried, those two Fox clowns could NOT get him off message.

      Bernie was focused like a laser beam!

      • #55924
        Ohio Barbarian
        • Total Posts: 21,911

        Well, he does have just a few years in the Senate, the House of Representatives before that, and Mayor of Burlington before that. Surely he learned something about debating. Plus, he’s got Nina Turner and David Sirota, neither of whom is a slouch on that score.

        Remember when Nina introduced a bill in the Ohio Senate to require mandatory drug-testing for anyone who gets money or salaries from the State when the Republicans were trying to mandate drug-testing for Food Stamp recipients? I still remember that speech she gave on the Senate floor. They folded like cheap suits!

        One thing for sure. Bernie anticipated those questions.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #55930
      NV Wino
      • Total Posts: 8,244

      Two points… well maybe more: However much I hate Rove and never want to see him or hear from him again, he’s no dummy.  Again, however much I despise FOX and their talking heads, I never understood why the DNC (or whomever) declined to have FOX carry the debates. And correct me if I’m wrong, but they simply wanted to broadcast the debates. They were never considered to host the debates.

      And here ya go, third point. This may be the smartest thing any politician has ever done. Go Bernie.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #55983
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      For some reason, I’m unable to copy the link; but today in the subReddit r/kossacksforsanders, a poster describes how their conservative father, who only watches Fox News, was swayed by Bernie’s Medicare for All argument.

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