Barbarian at the Gates: Why I will not be voting for ANY Democrats this year, and maybe not for the rest of my life

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    • #307253
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I view my vote as an expression of my beliefs and principles, as well as rational self-interest. This means that I vote for candidates and propositions that support or advance policies in which I believe, and which will advance the material conditions of my family, community, and class. Which begs the question: What should I do when there are no candidates running who support such policies?

      Well, then I have a choice to make. I can vote against a candidate by voting for someone who I don’t believe will do diddly-squat for me and mine, but if I do so I am sending the message that that someone is OK by me. That’s certainly how that politician and his party will see my vote for them. Then, they will know that they can screw me over time and time again, lower my pay, raise my costs, deny opportunity to my children, and continue to destroy the environment, but I will continue to vote for them anyway because the other guys are worse.

      That has certainly happened to progressives. Every time we have voted for a Democratic presidential candidate from 1992 on and they actually won, they fucked us over, then clucked at us that we have no place else to go. For the most part, that’s been true of every other Democratic winner as well, for no matter which office. That’s just not an acceptable option for me.

      Why would anyone tell a bully to keep taking his lunch money? I guess I just don’t think that way.

      I think the best political strategy for all progressives is to simply refuse to vote for any Democrat this year, even at the local level, unless a voter feels that person truly represents their beliefs and principles, and will at least try to do something to benefit themselves and their communities. At the federal level, I think that if you vote for a Congressperson or Senator who endorses Joe Biden, then you are endorsing the principle of surrendering to the corrupt Democratic Party establishment in the most existential political way possible, voting for them.

      Because you really are. There’s just no getting around it. You may not like it, but it’s true.

      I realize others see their vote as a tool to use to get the best probable result at the time, and will continue to do so, even if that means voting for candidates who won’t do diddly-squat for progressive policies. For progressives, this policy has never worked, at least not since maybe Jimmy Carter’s time, and I’m being generous to Carter because he kept American troops out of harm’s way more so than any other President in my lifetime, and we didn’t invade anybody for four years. Which was a nice thing.

      Anyway, I won’t do that. Morally, I have a problem with it, and strategically, it doesn’t work. Those in power never give up anything without a demand. In the situation where there are no candidates running who support my policies, I will not vote. Since there are no Democrats on my ballot who don’t bow to the corrupt Vichy Democrat power if they are not Vichy Dems themselves, I will vote for none of them.

      If there’s a Green I’ll vote for the Green, unless I’m pleasantly surprised and see a Socialist. There are a couple of good judges on the nonpartisan ballot, and a couple of levies to vote on, so I’ll vote. I just won’t vote against my own interests anymore, for any office.

      I used to, for reasons of blocking the Republicans or whatever. No more. For any vote-shaming Blue Team groupies out there who may be reading this, that is what your past vote-shaming of me has gotten you. And this year, you’re going to see a lot of younger people doing the exact same thing. They will not vote for a political party that openly ridicules and then crushes their very legitimate political desires.

      This system we have is not working. I think we need another one, and I just don’t see any way the Democratic Party can be a part of it. Which means I see no reason for doing anything to help keep that party from going extinct.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #307258
      salemcourt
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      Even I am considering not voting for down ballot Democrats, particularly if they endorse Biden.

    • #307261
      djean111
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      Millennial grandson is now trying to choose between not voting at all, voting Green, or voting for Trump.  Because he figures eight years of Biden and/or a Biden backup/clone is worse than four years of Trump.  Because of issues and records.  Go figure.

      • #307287
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @djean111 I won’t vote for Trump for the same reasons I won’t vote for Biden. Your grandson has a choice; he can use his vote as a tool because he thinks Trump is better for his longterm interest than is Biden( @bettykarlson beautifully illustrated that there is a strong and rational argument for that point of view), but he would be existentially endorsing Trump’s policies, IMHO.

        Or he can vote for what he really believes in by voting Green. It’s up to him. I’m not about to say he is a bad or immoral or stupid person for voting for Trump over Biden because he isn’t.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #307303
      3fingerbrown
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      And if I vote Green this year I’ll be holding my nose doing even that if Howie Hawkins is their candidate, since I don’t trust him either. Senator Dick Durbin ran unopposed in the primary so I left it blank! What kind of a democracy even has candidates running unopposed? I will likely vote Green just so they can try and get to that 5% threshold.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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      Red Cloud
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