Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence

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      soryang
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      Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence
      By Dan Cohen Aug 17 The Gray Zone

      Days earlier, Lai was in Washington, coordinating with hardline members of Trump’s national security team, including John Bolton. His ties to Washington run deep — and so do those of the front-line protest leaders.

      Millions of dollars have flowed from US regime-change outfits like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) into civil society and political organizations that form the backbone of the anti-China mobilization. And Lai has supplemented it with his own fortune while instructing protesters on tactics through his various media organs.

      https://thegrayzone.com/2019/08/17/hong-kong-protest-washington-nativism-violence/

      Wide ranging report on US ties to Hong Kong unrest, who the leaders are and their ties to Washington and the far right.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      So what’s the end game here, Blumenthal? What does this Chinese billionaire, I guess he’s a billionaire, and the CIA want to accomplish? A free Hong Kong? Well, that ain’t happenin’ and at least the CIA knows that. Do they want the Chinese Army to invade and kill a bunch of people, just to make the Peking government look bad? Because that’s all they’d get out of it. There will be no war with China over this, so that’s out.

      Nah. I think articles like this are an insult, perhaps even a racist insult, against the Hong Kong Chinese themselves. There is an assumption that they are incapable of getting over a million people in the streets to save their little local democratic institutions on their own; that they must have whitey in Washington stirring the pot or it wouldn’t happen.

      Hong Kong is a unique city and its people are very proud of it, with a lot of justification. They’re also very protective of their local rights and privileges, which is very Chinese. I am extremely skeptical of these “The CIA is orchestrating everything!” claims when it comes to Hong Kong.

      Perhaps it’s America bad, any opponent good, bullshit. The Chinese government itself just had a bunch of Twitter and Facebook accounts deleted by the two service providers because they really were Chinese government propaganda, and they are saying much the same thing as this Gray Zone piece.

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        soryang
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        Ty @janboehmermann.

        One of my favorite history books is The China Mirage by James Bradley.    The nature of US media is such that almost everything reported about Asia is distorted to fit US geo-political interests.    And then the tact taken typically turns out to be disastrous.    I don’t think US policy makers give a rats ass about what happens to the people demonstrating in Hong Kong.    The Tianamen story has run out of gas and needs to be revived.

        When its in the US interest to do so, dictators and autocrats get US diplomatic and military support.   The idea that there is some overarching principle behind the US training and financial support for the far right elements attempting to incite an armed reaction by China is another mirage.

        “Unleash Chiang Kai Shek”

         

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      China’s disinformation efforts appear to be aimed at undermining support for the Hong Kong protests and portraying them as violent, extreme, and dangerous. They appear to have been targeted at Hong Kong and abroad.

      Facebook posted a sample of content from the pages it suspended, some of which compares demonstrators to ISIS fighters. “Even though the weapons are different, the outcome is the same!” one image reads. Another set of images claims demonstrators harmed a nurse’s eye. An eyepatch has become a symbol of the protests after footage surfaced showing a woman believed to be a volunteer medic whose eye was injured after being hit by a beanbag round from police — not protesters.

      One of the suspended Twitter accounts said the protesters were engaged in “completely violent behavior” and called for “radical people” in Hong Kong to “just get out of here.” On top of that, Chinese state-backed news outlets appear to have been buying promoted tweets to boost the narrative of violence and extremism. The protests have been largely peaceful, though tense, and violence has at times broken out. The police have also fired tear gas, bean bags, and rubber bullets at crowds.

      https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/8/20/20813660/china-facebook-twitter-hong-kong-protests-social-media

      When a million and a half demonstrators take to the streets, authoritarians get quite nervous. Their first tactic is to blame foreigners – not unlike the Dem Party blaming Russia for Trump’s election. Then they portray the demonstrators are violent thugs when it is obvious that 99.9% of them are peaceful protesters. 

      I’m sure that, if we put 1.5 million protesters on the streets of DC this weekend, Trump and the GOP would find some foreign boogeyman to blame then would portray the demonstrators as violent thugs. You can’t let observers think that this mass of people are peaceful and genuinely concerned about democracy and human rights. That boggles the mind of conservatives and authoritarians.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

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        So the brick and molotov cocktail throwing thugs attacking police and police stations, shining lasers into the police eyes, hitting police with metal bars, etc., are just some fake news campaign on social media?   Hopefully, most of these thugs have already been arrested at this point.   The NED / US government financed radicals seeking independence from China  are the usual color revolution by the numbers meddling in internal affairs of other governments that we’ve seen repeatedly in US history.

        • #122013
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          China would have us believe that there are 1 1/2 million thugs in the streets of Hong Kong. Bernie does not believe that. I don’t believe that. You can believe that you if you wish.

          When a government a government is faced with a million people in the streets they MUST 1) portray them as violent (acknowledging the overwhelming peaceful nature of their protest makes it more difficult to get away with cracking them over the head with some good old-fashioned  ‘law and order’ -AKA police batons, tear gas, riot police and who knows what else) and 2) cast them as dupes (or worse) of an evil foreign NGO or government (which again makes them appear ‘unpatriotic’ and deserving of some patriotic ‘law and order’ coming down in their heads).

          The spin the Chinese government is engaging in is classic conservative misdirection when confronted with popular protest.

          They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

          National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

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            soryang
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            It isn’t all one way or the other, it only takes a small minority of thugs to provoke the violent crackdown the US is looking for.    Your argument presents the logical fallacy of the missing middle.

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              peacecorps
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              I support the million peaceful demonstrators who believe their human and democratic rights are threatened.

              I agree the a few violent thugs (agents provocateur?) among the hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters, play into the hands of a conservative government looking for a reason to crack some heads

              They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

              National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

            • #122193
              Earthartist
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              not to mention only the American media and uk media are claiming over a million, in the mean time not a word about the French yellow vests 40th week being gassed shot beaten, by the police

              Strange that the same thing is happening in Russia, yet not a mention that the ambassador of the US was sent home.

              Ohio you and I agree on most things, but giving the US a pass on meddling?  who have they been trashing for years now? where was Obamas turn to? the pacific. they have shaved their navel boats in the Chinese face they have bases surrounding china and Russia. the drive for empire in this country is endless. They will do anything to stop the Belt from happening. they think they are great at color revolutions.

              why   would anyone be surprised that we do this shit?  we slaughter people all over the world! We topple governments all over the world! we spend all our taxes doing this shit, so now we have a country right on the edge of collapse. anyone at this point who believes anything that comes from the NYT is choosing not to see.

              Earthartist

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      MistaP
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      in terms of Chinese history, after Tienanmen the CCP opted to pin its survival on servicing 4-5 capital-oriented cities (Tianjin, Canton/Shenzhen/HK, Shanghai): the interior provinces were there to provide laborers, and maybe empty apartment buildings for the new bourgeoisie to invest in as a second tier after the US West Coast

      Bo Xilai’s Sichuanese rebellion was crushed–but now China’s most cosmopolitan capitalist foreign-oriented city is in turmoil as neither Mancunian merchandry nor the CCP’s hereditary technocracy can provide for East Asia’s former financial capital

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