Belarus-Ryanair plane case is outrageous? America & its European allies set precedent when they tried to get Snowden, critics say

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    • #425259
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (RT) Western governments have blasted Belarus for allegedly forcing a plane to land on its soil in order to arrest an opposition activist. But they sang a different tune in 2013, when a similar attempt was made to grab Edward Snowden.

      On Sunday, a Ryanair commercial flight from Greece to Lithuania was diverted from its course shortly before leaving Belarusian airspace and made an emergency landing in Minsk. This allowed the Belarusian authorities to take Roman Protasevich, former chief editor of Polish-based opposition Telegram channel NEXTA Live, into custody. In his home country, he is facing serious charges of inciting mass unrest with his coverage of anti-government protests last year.

      Western governments condemned Minsk, accusing it of forcibly grounding the plane under a false pretext of a bomb threat. However, when, for example, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called the events a “brazen and shocking act” and demanded an international investigation, the call seemed hypocritical to some observers. After all, wasn’t that the same thing that the US and its allies did when they wanted to snatch NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden?

      The incident in question happened in July 2013, shortly after Snowden’s name became globally known. The US annulled his passport, and the man who helped expose US invasive electronic surveillance was stranded in the transit zone of a Moscow airport, unable to leave.
      Yes, it’s RT, but so what? They have a very good point. 

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    • #425260
      JonLP
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      Drop charges on Assange.

      Pardon Snowden & Reality Winner.

      Either repeal or reform the Espionage Act.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #425270
      JonLP
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      They were only a third party in the entire thing.

      But I don’t think JPR will mind if I share their Tweet.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #425274
      retired liberal
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      Don’t do as we do, do as we say… Or you could find one of more of our military bases on our property in your country.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

    • #425275
      HassleCat
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      They don’t pretend to be anything other than a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda. They are pretending that sending a fighter plane to force an airliner to land is the same as boarding an airliner and trying to arrest Assange. If that’s true, there is ample precedent for shooting down an airliner carrying somebody we don’t like. (Same thing, right?) Which I am pretty sure we have done. And which I’m pretty sure they have done. What they did in Belarus is outrageous, and comparing it to other outrageous actions doesn’t make it any less wrong.

      • #425314
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        forcing it to land in order to get more fuel, due to the denial of airspace, is just as bad.  IMO.  The US was quite prepared to have  Snowden taken off that plane.

        Also, it seems to me like I am supposed to be OUTRAGED about Russia doing the same stuff this country does, and yet support this country and then run around squealing about Russia doing the same thing.  Nope.

        And I will always be grateful for Wikileaks showing the hypocrisy of Hillary/the Democratic Party in 2016.  Those who believe Assange should have been on Hillary’s “side” are ridiculous.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #425321
      ozoneman
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      though I think Russia has a more valid reason, as the “journalist” was trying to overthrow the government of Belarus.

      Snowden was disclosing information about our government’s surveillance of its citizens.

    • #425359
      sadoldgirl
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      Belarus has been on the Western radar for quite a while.

      This special puppy supported the riots in Minsk and encouraged

      them. He was possibly a CIA asset, since he has been in close contact

      with Trump’s ambassador to Ukraine and the present one to Greece.

      Our media did not report on the planned coup against Lukachenko,

      which Putin however stated clearly. From “The Duran” discussion

      I gathered that Lukachenkov  was trying to play the West out against

      Russia and vice versa. Well, now he had to take action against the West

      and to side with the Kremlin. For his own survival he has no other choice.

      The West played a risky game, since he is still rather popular in his country.

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      Jan Boehmerman
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      The US and western neocons/neolibs have targeted Lukashenko for a number of years because he has not bowed down to the western vulture capitalists like the Baltics, Poland and Ukraine. He remains in power even though the US government has funneled millions of dollars to his political opposition hoping to foment another color revolution. Hell,… he’s even survived western orchestrated assassination attempts.

      Don’t believe the sanctimonious BS about the US seeking to promote “democracy and human rights” in Belarus. This is all about power. The US doesn’t give a shit about “democratic and human rights”….. OR dictatorship. The US has no problem with dictators…. as long as they do what the US Government/Deep State wants.

      No problem. The expression of concern about democracy and human rights is propaganda selectively applied to stir up support for, or at least quell opposition to, US intervention abroad. And BELIEVE ME….. the US is planning for some “regime change” in Belarus!

      • #425510
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Rest assured. In fact, the whole reason for the OP was to point out the hypocrisy in Western media and governments. Lukashenko definitely was a Stalinist–I don’t know if circumstances made him change or not, but his response to popular demonstrations against his rule were at least Stalin-lite.

        Just saying there may not be any “good guys” here.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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