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  • LaaDeeDaaVA (4958 posts)

    BERNIE: A new authoritarian axis demands an international progressive front

    09/13/2018//  There is a global struggle taking place of enormous consequence. Nothing less than the future of the planet – economically, socially and environmentally – is at stake.

    At a time of massive wealth and income inequality, when the world’s top 1% now owns more wealth than the bottom 99%, we are seeing the rise of a new authoritarian axis.  <big snip>

    Three years ago, who would have imagined that the United States would stay neutral between Canada, our democratic neighbor and second largest trading partner, and Saudi Arabia, a monarchic, client state that treats women as third-class citizens? It’s also hard to imagine that Israel’s Netanyahu government would have moved to pass the recent “nation state law”, which essentially codifies the second-class status of Israel’s non-Jewish citizens, if Benjamin Netanyahu didn’t know Trump would have his back.

    All of this is not exactly a secret. As the US continues to grow further and further apart from our longtime democratic allies, the US ambassador to Germany recently made clear the Trump administration’s support for rightwing extremist parties across Europe.

    MORE:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/ng-interactive/2018/sep/13/bernie-sanders-international-progressive-front

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    • LaaDeeDaaVA (4958 posts)

      1. Varoufakis on Bernie's piece: common blueprint for an International New Deal,

      a progressive New Bretton woods” . . . 

      SPOT-ON.  Financiers established an “international brotherhood” long ago to guarantee bailouts to themselves when their “paper pyramids” fall.

      Most recently, xenophobic rightwingnuts have similarly established their own Nationalist International, creating conflict and divisiveness so that they are able to control their politics and wealth.

      Democrats [and Progressives] around the world must form a Progressive International leading with an eye towards a green and shared prosperity to protect the interests of the 99% in every country, on each continent.

       

      Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.    African proverb  

         

    • bemildred (9319 posts)
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      2. Trump Protects Al Qaeda, "The Resistance” Applauds, Cursing “Russians”

      By Glen Ford at the Black Agenda Report.
      6 August 2018.

      ===

      “The so-called ‘resistance is the world’s phoniest ‘left.’”

      The Trump administration, just like the Obama regime, is willing to start World War III to protect the largest al Qaeda outfit in the world from annihilation by the Syrian government and its Russian, Iranian and Lebanese allies. The New York Times and the rest of the corporate media have also chosen sides in the struggle against terror in Syria; they prefer the sons and daughters of Osama bin Laden to the internationally recognized government in Damascus. The same goes for most of the so-called “resistance” — the world’s phoniest “left,” who direct their righteous anger at the victims of U.S. imperialism and take their political cues from the corporate rag on 42nd Street, oligarch Jeff Bezo’s propaganda sheet in Washington, and Rachel Maddow, the MS-DNC’s 8 Million Dollar Woman.

      The Times today (Wednesday) spent more than 800 words warning that a Syrian-Russian air offensive against “densely populated,” “rebel-held” Idlib Province could result in a “bloodbath,” without once informing its readers that Idlib Province is almost entirely controlled, militarily and civilly, by al Qaeda, now operating as Jabhat Fatah al-Sham. Donald Trump, who two years ago accused President Obama of having “founded” ISIS , along with Hillary Clinton — an essentially correct assessment– is now all-in with the al Qaeda defense team. “President Bashar al-Assad of Syria must not recklessly attack Idlib Province,” Trump tweeted. “The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy. Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed. Don’t let that happen!”

      https://www.blackagendareport.com/trump-protects-al-qaeda-resistance-applauds-cursing-russians

      It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
      • LaaDeeDaaVA (4958 posts)

        3. Our leaders are the most SAVAGE among us, DOLTS and IDIOTS who

        take us all for fools.

        Thanks for posting.

        Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.    African proverb  

           

    • Johnny Rash (1956 posts)
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      5. The boat(the world) is sinking and they(1%) are the only ones with Life-Jackets.

      The rest of us will fight among ourselves over the few remaining debris still floating behind the wreckage.

      • Blackspade (4462 posts)
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        20. The dead bodies of the rich will be the floatation devices for some…..

        • Coldmountaintrail (8493 posts)
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          22. we don't know where they live

        • Johnny Rash (1956 posts)
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          24. When the STORM finally comes, it won't matter anymore – darkness will fall!

    • Peace Patriot (4344 posts)
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      6. Can't disagree with Sanders & Varoufakis on global New Deal. However…

      …there is some muddled thinking in Bernie’s article, as follows:

      Other authoritarian states are much farther along this kleptocratic process. In Russia, it is impossible to tell where the decisions of government end and the interests of Vladimir Putin and his circle of oligarchs begin. They operate as one unit. Similarly, in Saudi Arabia, there is no debate about separation because the natural resources of the state, valued at trillions of dollars, belong to the Saudi royal family. In Hungary, far-right authoritarian leader Viktor Orbán is openly allied with Putin in Russia. In China, an inner circle led by Xi Jinping has steadily consolidated power, clamping down on domestic political freedom while it aggressively promotes a version of authoritarian capitalism abroad.

      We must understand that these authoritarians are part of a common front. 

      WTF, Bernie?  Russia is the one preventing Saudi Arabia – and our guys, Bernie – our guys! – from forcing an extremist Islamic caliphate on Syria, a SECULAR country, a country proud of their tradition of religious tolerance, the country that doesn’t want the swishy-robed Saudi fake ‘princes’ beheading their women for ‘adultery’!

      Russia is NOTHING LIKE Saudi Arabia!  Neither is China, for that matter.  Both utterly oppose the U.S./CIA creation called Al Qaeda and all its spawn.  Why don’t WE oppose Al Qaeda?  Huh?  No, we’re funding and weaponizing them as a dirty rotten, chaos-making fighting force to destroy other countries!

      A couple more however’s:

      In Russia, it is impossible to tell where the decisions of government end and the interests of Vladimir Putin and his circle of oligarchs begin.

      This is not exactly true.  It was the U.S.-backed Boris Yeltsin who let the Russian oligarchs run mad, in a deliberate U.S. chaos strategy to destroy Russia as an independent country and to prevent its development.  A more factual and reason-based analysis is that Putin has reined in the Russian oligarchs.  He is the remedy, in the opinion of the Russian people, not the problem.  He is hugely popular in Russia, which is now enjoying a rising middle class – unlike us – and is engaging in all sorts of innovative development projects – unlike us.  Unlike us, Russia seems to be controlling its oligarchs – the ones who grabbed up all of Russia’s resources under U.S. tutelage – is taxing them and forcing them to operate for the good of the country.  This is why the CIA hates Putin.  Their chaos-making project failed!  And if you’re spouting this nonsense to keep the CIA from assassinating you, fine – but please try to be consistent.  Russia has nothing in common with Saudi Arabia!

      Re China and “authoritarian capitalism”:  Who’d they learn that from, hm?  And no country on this earth has committed a worse “authoritarian capitalist” horror than our own Barack Obama and his bankster bailout!

      To defend China just a bit:  They’re going around the world and investing in other countries’ development.  They provide financing and technical support for things that are useful to people – for transportation, for commerce, for mutually beneficial trade, for peaceful enterprise.  What are we doing?  Exporting military bases and weapons!  We have flooded north Africa and the Middle East with weapons!  How is that conducive to peaceful development?  It isn’t.  It creates violent bullies like the Saudis, the jihadists thugs and the Israelis.  And who is the biggest violent bully of them all?

      As for the new China-Russia alliance, consider their Silk Road initiative:  We place nuclear missiles all around Russia’s borders and we try our damnedest to bar them from trading with Europe and what does that push them to do?  TURN EAST.  That is what is happening.  And it is “We, the People” of the Western world who are going to suffer even more as the financial axis of the world shifts elsewhere.  Our Western oligarchs are the chaos-makers, and they don’t give a fuck what happens to the rest of us.

      One more thing:  Who are China and Russia invading?  Who are they threatening?  Who are they forcing themselves on?  Who are they are preaching to?

      And who is actually invading other countries?  Iraq, Libya, Syria (U.S. ground troops, as we speak!).  Who is threatening other countries – Syria, Iran, Russia, Venezuela – with violence?  Who is trying to destroy other countries’ economies with ‘sanctions’?  Who are the most hypocritical preachers on this earth?

      Dear Bernie:  Please address the insanity of U.S. foreign policy, and its dreadful promotion of war profiteering!  Not to mention its dreadful wars.  We have no more right to go preaching democracy and human rights around the world than Saudi Arabia does or Israel – our allies!  Stop with the messianic stuff, okay?

      It’s all well and good to envision a global New Deal.  I love the concept.  I totally agree that the poor majority of this Earth need to organize and use our numbers and our ideals of a decent life for all, a livable planet and world peace, to create those things, together.  But what we need to understand is that OUR oligarchs are the biggest obstacles to those goals – not Russia’s, not China’s, not the sheiks of Araby.  Uber-billionaire funding of fascism started here.  Dammit, Bernie, one of them – Howard Ahmanson – was the initial funder and major investor in ES&S/Diebold!   And who are OUR oligarchs and the CIA supporting in Ukraine?  Nazis!

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      (Edit: typo.)

       

      • Yanath (1307 posts)

        8. +1 n/t

      • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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        11. I think the point is that Russia is an oligarchy, or kleptocracy, just like the

        US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the rest he mentioned. Russia is governed by an entrenched, wealthy few. China is an authoritarian capitalist state. Hungary is Fascist. Whatever the United States has done does not justify what those countries’ leaders have done to their own people.

        Bernie didn’t address the Syrian situation at all, but it’s not the point of this article.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
        • Yanath (1307 posts)

          14. No, Russia is not "just like the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia".

          Russia is the victim of US lead expansionism and militarism. Russia is not an aggressive global empire who has declared perpetual global war, mudered millions in other countries and destabilized entire regions. Your false equivalence is the pinnacle of absurdities.

          • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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            16. I'm not talking about foreign policy. I'm talking about the form of

            government, which is a different version of the oligarchy and kleptocracy we have right here. Russia is not all sweetness and light. They aren’t a democracy anymore than we are; less so, if anything.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
          • Peace Patriot (4344 posts)
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            19. I tend to agree with you, Yanath. Russia has done nothing to earn….

            …the epithet “enemy” and has miraculously remained calm while the U.S. has surrounded it with nuclear missiles, U.S. troops and Russian-hating Nazis.  It is also evident to me that most of the problems in Russia were directly and deliberately created by the U.S.  The U.S. never intended for Russia to have a functioning democracy.  The U.S. instead imposed Yeltsin on Russia for maximum chaos-making and looting.  So, to blame Russia for seeking stability, for seeking to defend its borders, for getting high-handed with U.S.-CIA “color revolution” infiltration and destabilization groups, is truly absurd.

            I understand what Barbarian is saying, in a general sense, but I don’t agree with this statement, as applied to Russia:

            Whatever the United States has done does not justify what those countries’ leaders have done to their own people.

            What has Russia “done to its own people”?  The Russian oligarchic mafia, that the U.S. imposed on Russia, have certainly been shits to their own people, but the Russian people have made a strong comeback by electing Putin.  He doesn’t have the power to break the oligarchs, but he does have the character and the support to try to keep them in line and to lash them into some sort of service to the common good.  Result:  a rising middle class, a positive GDP, and other common goods such as maintaining health care for all (yup, Russia has single payer!).  They also have the wherewithal to come to the aid of their ally, Syria, and that is also supported at home.  Putin is very popular.  No, he is not exactly a democrat, though Russia has a parliament and holds elections that are at least as honest as our own.  And I certainly haven’t gotten the impression of more ‘thought control’ there than there is here.

            Russia doesn’t have a lot of experience of democracy, having been ruled by Tsars and by the Tsar-like Stalin for so long.  And, given the very destructive U.S. meddling, their chief concerns are stability and development.

            One of the things Putin does that is difficult to understand here is that he appeals to “Mother Russia” type patriotism, which runs very deep in Russian society, which has been traumatized by two major land invasions – by Napoleon and by Hitler.  We should not underestimate the impact of those invasions and we need to understand Russia’s awesome defense of “Mother Russia” in both cases – especially since it was a major factor, even a decisive factor, in the West winning WW II.

            Fuck with “Mother Russia” and you are in for big, big trouble.  That is what the U.S. is threatening, and that threat both makes progress in democracy more difficult within Russia – because dissent can feel threatening (and the U.S. is notorious for using dissent to create chaos and to invade) – and it pulls Russians together in common cause, which could result in Tsar-like, or Soviet-like, imperial ambition.  It hasn’t yet, that I can see.  But it could, in reaction to U.S. aggression.

            Threatening Russia is the worst thing that the U.S. could be doing.  It is undeserved and counter-productive, if the purpose is to promote democracy and human rights.  But that isn’t the purpose of the U.S., sad to say.  Tragic to say.  OUR oligarchs have quite the opposite purpose.  They would impose sharia law and a Saudi-style caliphate on Syria, a SECULAR country, for instance.  Our oligarchs use mass death, torture and mass imprisonment to get what they want.  And they routinely rig our elections and intensely propagandize us, to stave off rebellion.

            There are contradictions in Bernie’s article.  Because HE believes in democracy, he sometimes talks as if HIS purposes and our war profiteering oligarchs’ purposes converge somehow, and they don’t.  Those who actually rule the U.S. have the opposite purposes from Bernie and from most of us.  I do think he’s trying to walk a tightrope – a highly dangerous tightrope – and I forgive him a lot for that.  I seldom see this kind of confusion in him, though – conflating Russia and Saudi Arabia.  Maybe he just doesn’t have time for careful editing, he’s doing so much, or he lost his editor and hasn’t found another.  That piece needed editing and more thought.

        • peacecorps (6034 posts)
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          15. Well said. Unfortunately, the oligarchs are in power in too many places.

          There are still many who will side with the oligarchs on Team Blue vs Team Red or Team ‘Country A’ or ‘Country B’.

          • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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            17. And Bernie named some of them. I find that refreshing, to say the least.

            Went after Netanyahu, too. He’s thrown the gauntlet and called for a global progressive movement.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
      • sadoldgirl (2831 posts)
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        13. +100, but there is a reason for the rise of nationalism, and

        it is rising everywhere. This means that as long as we have nations there are
        borders to be respected. This in itself will hinder any kind of global New Deal.
        The people here screaming MAGA are to a great extent asking for just such
        nationalism, not because they are stupid, but they feel that they have been
        forgotten. The same is true for Hungary, Poland, and the rise of them in
        Sweden or the former East Germany.
        I am afraid that Bernie here is offering Utopia in its nicest form.

      • nevereVereven (5550 posts)
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        23. Excellent post! nm

        Trump is a fool who may yet blunder us into war; the Dems and the Deep State cabal would give us war by design.

                                       
    • Salemcourt (1321 posts)
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      7. US has supported right wing extremists everywhere, all the time.

      Is it only now, with Trump, have Democrats realized this?

      • LaaDeeDaaVA (4958 posts)

        9. Projection: it's part & parcel of the DemRat's "Resistance"

        Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.    African proverb  

           

      • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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        18. That is not important as far as this speech goes. What is important is that

        an American politician who has a damned good chance of being elected President has just called that horrible policy into question. That hasn’t happened in a very long time.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
        • Salemcourt (1321 posts)
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          25. very true

          Hopefully it will get good coverage

    • pa28 (386 posts)
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      10. Bernie is back!

      He’s added something new by calling out authoritarianism and defining the terms of a new social contract. Those things were largely missing from his last campaign.

      I think this is a preview of his stump speech for 2020, it’s going to catch fire and it will be greatly entertaining to watch Democrats fall all over themselves to cheat, smear and rig just like they did in 2016.

      Also, the comments from Yanis Varoufakis at the end are a must read. He thinks Bernie is laying the groundwork for an international New Deal. This is a really significant article from Bernie.

      Demexit date June 2016 after 23 years.
    • Ohio Barbarian (10893 posts)
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      12. Wow! That, my friends, is a presidential candidate's foreign policy speech.

      He hits global inequality of wealth, global damage to the climate done by the fossil fuel industry, global corporatist trade policies, global media monopolies that conceal the truth. And global, which means primarily American, expenditures on weapons.

      :bounce: It is a good, progressive foreign policy piece.

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.
    • Salemcourt (1321 posts)
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      26. Does he include Israel in the axis of evil?

      He does mention them in his article.

    • Eleanors38 (1209 posts)
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      27. A real enunciation of foreign policy from someone.

      We can pick apart the specifics, but Sanders calls attention to why we now have PermaWar®, and our direct involvement with that “policy.” I don’t know how far we can take the threat of coalescing authoritarian regimes bent on deminishing our’s or the world’s interests; anyone can inflate a threat to Biblical proportions with the Innertube.  But one should keep in mind that there was little in common between the Third Reich and the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Yet these distatorships found common ground in conducting a world war.   For its part, and from the beginning,  Japan had little hope in a winner-take-all result, but wanted only to neutralize the U.S. as a major player threatening its interests.

      Empires have sometimes been content with goals less than the “Eve of Destruction,” but have not shyed away from employing massive military force.  And that includes forging Axis-like alliances.