Bernie Bails! Allows Warrantless FBI Spying On Americans

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    • #315917
      ThouArtThat
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      Grief requires us to know the time we're in. The great enemy of grief is hope. Hope is the four-letter word for people who are unwilling to know things for what they are.

      Our time requires us to be hope-free. To burn through the false choice of being hopeful and hopeless. They are two sides of the same con job. Grief is required to proceed.

      - Stephen Jenkinson

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

    • #315924
      Bernie Boomer
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      Sanders didn’t vote. Not on Wednesday and not today. Is that what constitutes “bailing”? Three other also did not vote on Wednesday, including WA Dem Patty Murray. Murray could have voted – did she “bail”?
      Here are the folks who voted “Nay” against the amendment on Wednesday. I count more than one Dem. Not sure why Dore thinks Sanders is the only one responsible for the amendment dying.   Any one of those Dems could have vote yes . . . but they didn’t.
      NAYs —

      Barrasso (R-WY)
      Blackburn (R-TN)
      Blunt (R-MO)
      Boozman (R-AR)
      Burr (R-NC)
      Capito (R-WV)
      Carper (D-DE)
      Casey (D-PA)
      Collins (R-ME)
      Cornyn (R-TX)
      Cotton (R-AR)
      Feinstein (D-CA)
      Fischer (R-NE)
      Graham (R-SC)
      Hassan (D-NH)
      Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
      Inhofe (R-OK)
      Johnson (R-WI)
      Jones (D-AL)
      Kaine (D-VA)
      Lankford (R-OK)
      Manchin (D-WV)
      McConnell (R-KY)
      Perdue (R-GA)
      Portman (R-OH)
      Roberts (R-KS)
      Romney (R-UT)
      Rubio (R-FL)
      Shaheen (D-NH)
      Shelby (R-AL)
      Thune (R-SD)
      Tillis (R-NC)
      Toomey (R-PA)
      Warner (D-VA)
      Whitehouse (D-RI)
      Wicker (R-MS)
      Young (R-IN)
      • #315930
        ThouArtThat
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        @bernieboomer

        Hi bb,

        If one had bothered to watch the video, that is exactly what Jimmy Dore said.  So yes, Bernie abdicated his responsibility as a US Senator to prevent warantless spying on your internet browsing habits and patterns.  This will significantly undermine all efforts to organize protest in the future.  A sad state of affairs.

        TAT

        Grief requires us to know the time we're in. The great enemy of grief is hope. Hope is the four-letter word for people who are unwilling to know things for what they are.

        Our time requires us to be hope-free. To burn through the false choice of being hopeful and hopeless. They are two sides of the same con job. Grief is required to proceed.

        - Stephen Jenkinson

        Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

        - Robert Louis Stevenson

        • #315962
          Bernie Boomer
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          @Thouartthat.

          I did watch most of it – although I admit that Dore’s focus on slamming Bernie got old quite awhile ago, so I stopped before it was over (he also just loves hearing himself talk just a wee too much for my taste).
          Why didn’t Bernie vote? Why didn’t he vote on the full FISA reauthorization, for that matter? I don’t know.
          I do know enough about how our stupid system operates to not pin my hopes on a single individual. Ever.

          So, blaming Bernie -and only Bernie – when there were quite a few others there who not only voted but voted against the amendment (and for the reauthorization) is a bit specious, imho.

          • #315967
            Maedhros
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            When Bernie does well, he should be praised.

            When he fucks up, he should be called out.

            Deciding what to accept or reject based upon a personality is irresponsible.

            His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
            but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
            and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
            more deadly than his right had been.

          • #315976
            Two way street
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            How can Bernie show up as a leader of a protest or at a picket line now?  Bernie has moved to another side and away from Us.

            2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

      • #315931
        ElfinWilde
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        Because Dore has been ragging on Bernie for quite a while now…

        I don’t know how long because I stopped watching anything he put out some time ago.  But it was before Bernie suspended his campaign.

        Dore’s just noise which distracts.

        You are a child of the Universe, no less than the trees and the stars. You have a right to be here.

        • #315937
          ThouArtThat
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          @elfinwilde

          Hi ew,

          That Bernie sold his movement out is now an established fact.  That some do not like the messenger reminding all of that fact is a telling reflection.

          TAT

          Grief requires us to know the time we're in. The great enemy of grief is hope. Hope is the four-letter word for people who are unwilling to know things for what they are.

          Our time requires us to be hope-free. To burn through the false choice of being hopeful and hopeless. They are two sides of the same con job. Grief is required to proceed.

          - Stephen Jenkinson

          Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

          - Robert Louis Stevenson

        • #315953
          roody
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          He still has some great shows. The Our Revolution organizer from LA was excellent.

        • #315968
          Maedhros
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          Too bad he’s correct about a sacred cow, I guess.

          His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
          but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
          and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
          more deadly than his right had been.

        • #316344
          Pastiche
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          I agree 100%.

          In less than a year, Dore’s head has grown larger than Manhattan.

          P.S. I am so glad Bernie never went on his show.

           

      • #315961
        Earthartist
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        Patty Murray is a D in name only she is the favorite safe Dem to get votes for big pharma. She is a total neoliberal yes a sell out totally. Yes anyone who doesn’t show up for a vote like this is a sell out.

         

        Earthartist

    • #315933
      Ohio Barbarian
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      He wasn’t the only one, and every single one of them caved to pressure from Obama and voted for the ACA. They could have held out, but they gave in to the threat of there being no Medicaid expansion. I have never forgotten that, though I did still support Bernie for President after that. Twice.

      This time, all Bernie had to do was show up and vote to stop an egregious violation of our 4th Amendment rights on a law that should have expired years ago–well, I never thought it should have been enacted in the first place, and neither did Bernie.

      But he didn’t show up. That is a fact. If he wasn’t physically ill, then he has no excuse, and one will wonder if some behind-the-scenes deal was struck and will keep an eye out for anything that lends credence to that thought. Sanders endorsed a Fascist, after all. That does not inspire trust in this citizen.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #315945
      lownslow
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      So i posted agreeing with tat and ohio but my comment is gone, this is a test😉

    • #315984
      N2Doc
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      If anybody finds an explanation from Sanders on why he wasn’t there, I’d love to see it.

    • #315991
      3fingerbrown
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      I don’t know what happening with Bernie, but it’s like he changed hard establishment overnight. Thankfully for myself I never fell in love with him just like Obama, Clinton, AOC, Kucinich, Nader, Wellstone, Kennedy, and so on because they are politicians first and I constantly remind myself of that. With Bernie though it’s disappointing, since at his age and stature he has nothing to gain it seems, and a lot to lose, at least to his reputation anyway. Well the reason I came to JPR in the first place was because I felt alienated from the parties and needed to hang with fellow “purists”. LOL

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #316364
      Matthew76
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      While Bernie has done too many good things to lose faith, not voting was a big mistake unless he is ill or there was an emergency. It’s important that this government doesn’t have too much spying power.

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