BERNIE or BUST Isn't a Threat, But a Warning!

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    • #102868
      Segami
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      BERNIE or BUST Isn’t a Threat, But a Warning!

       

       

      One abstention is too weak to be a threat

      But millions of us with no control over each other may abstain, that’s the warning

      You CAN’T control millions of us

      You CAN compel your corrupt Party to do the right thing & nominate Bernie

       

       

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      Here’s the result of 40 years of our voting for the “lesser evil” Democrat-GOP:

       

      80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck

      Domestic surveillance on all Americans

      Repeal of Habeus corpus. We can be detained without charge indefinitely

       

      29M without ANY health insurance, leading to 40K deaths/yr

      Highest child poverty on 

      Highest prison population on 

      Bombing 8 countries > Poisoned

      It’s a good thing we didn’t “waste” our vote on those crazy 3rd party candidates who can’t ‘win,’ right?

       

      Consider, in the past when your preferred candidate(s) won their race, what exactly did YOU win? Did any of those ‘winners’ enact any bills to benefit YOU, YOUR FAMILY, COMMUNITY?

       

      Have you thought about ‘Plan B’ for GE if Bernie’s not nominated? Are you still going to vote against what you fear (GOP), by voting for “lesser evil” Dems in down ballot races? Or have you realized neither party cares about us & will never enact change but only lip service?

       

      Will you finally vote in your OWN BEST interests & vote for the best candidate with the BEST policies who’s running for office OUTSIDE the Democrat-Republican Party?

       

       

       

       

      Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

    • #102870
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      +++++

      Yusuf: “Tweets aren’t enough, get out and protest”‏ @yusufsaysbernie

      Literally every problem on Earth is caused or made worse by rich people who want to make more money and pay less taxes.

    • #102928
      jwirr
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    • #102931
      Snort McDork
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      So I understand we must fight to win. Who do we fight against?

      In 2 interviews I saw Bernie do, one on Face The “Corporation” (Nation), asked what is different this time: “We’re going to win.”

      So if we’re to turn this country around, Bernie is our only shot at achieving that.  But it seems our situation this time is dire.

      So how do we fight for Bernie assuring us that he wins? What if states mess with election results? How do we fight that?

      This is the shit I’m worried about. Because corruption and greed have no heart and soul. Period.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

      "I like birdy num-nums"

    • #102943
      HalfCentury Man
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      If it was easy it would already have been done.

      Starting today, and for the rest of our lives, we have to be better than we have ever managed to be thus far. I look at it this way: Growing old in quiet dignity sounded really boring right off the bat.

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

      John F. Kennedy: 13 March 1962.

    • #103098
      Iwillnevergiveup
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      Itemized in print, all these injustices that have crept up on us make the state of our country looks very bad.  I’m certainly not alone in acknowledging this, and truly believe that as months go by and more bad stuff happens, Bernie is gonna soar.  He’s drawing huge crowds as well as connecting with countless groups in smaller venues, amassing money and volunteers to open new offices, shining on the “debate” stage, and injecting his speeches with local and current issues.  I think the very best way to support him is to keep sending him money so he has the means to keep on getting his message out.  HOPE!

    • #103570
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Whether one calls it a threat or a warning doesn’t matter all that much. What matters is that what you say is true, as sure as the sun rises in the east. All the badgering, all the slandering, all the bullshit moral arguments that if one doesn’t Vote Blue No Matter Who then one is in fact supporting the execrable Republican, will not change this American political reality.

      That’s just the way it is. If the Democrats nominate Bernie, they’ll crush Trump. Polls and trends show that Bernie will definitely carry all of the states Hillary did plus Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and probably Ohio. That’s a win right there. But wait! There’s more! Bernie would also have a real chance of carrying states like Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia, North Dakota(that’s from a poll a few months ago), Kansas, and the Big One–Texas.

      All the claims that Bernie is unelectable are bald-faced lies.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #103734
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      Consider me warned.  Consider the warning ignored.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #103756
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Excellent summation of why “centrism” loses.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #103844
          bazukhov
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          Progressives without centrists can’t win.

          Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

          • #103849
            Ohio Barbarian
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            @bazukhov. With all due respect, that is simply not true. Centrists, as in Democratic centrists, or those who believe in maintaining the capitalist, corporate-dominated status quo economically but are liberal on social issues, make up no more than 5% of the electorate. Fuck them. They used to be “liberal Republicans” anyway.

            Progressives don’t need people like Manchin, Pelosi, Harris, and Biden to win. They need increased voter turnout to win, and can do that by offering people who have seldom if ever voted something to vote for. You are reciting what the Democratic establishment wants us to believe, and they have been proven wrong in both presidential and midterm elections since the 1990s.

            Come to think of it, progressives would be better off without the Democratic establishment, which is despised by most of the country.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

            • #103918
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              How many “progressive” Democrats have won the presidency in the last 60 years that didn’t have to win over centrists?    Not one.

              How many “liberal” Democrats have won the presidency in the last 60 years without having to convince the centrists that they weren’t “too liberal”?  Not one.

              It’s all very well to say that all we have to do is the voters something to vote for.   Like what?   And, who are “the voters”?   Progressives?  Centrists?  Conservatives?   Are they progressive on social issues?  Are they progressive on civil rights?  Women’s rights?  Gun control?  Defense?   Are the non-economic progressives going to vote for a progressive that that’s weak on those issues?    If a “progressive” on economic issues (wages, unions, socialism, etc) came out for banning abortions, or outlawing gays, or curbing immigration, I wouldn’t vote him/her.

              In 20o8 I voted for Ralph Nader.  In 2012 and 2016 I voted for Jill Stein but I never deluded myself into thinking that they’d win or some Democrat with the same views would win.

              In giving “the voters” something to vote for how much do progressives have to move right?

              Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

              • #104018
                Ohio Barbarian
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                That was then. This is now. We are in a prerevolutionary state. Obama won in 2008 because he promised very progressive reforms. He lied, but that’s why he won. Trump won in 2016 because he promised to “drain the swamp” and an end to regime change wars. He also lied, but that is why he won.

                The electorate has moved left in the last dozen or so years. There is no “center,” and it cannot and will not hold. The choice is simple–nominate a progressive or get four more years of Trump. Or do you really think Trump could beat Bernie Sanders? The head to head state and national polls say that is not true. It’s a real simple choice: Elect a real reformer, or face violent revolution and maybe civil war in the next few years. Take your pick.

                It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

                If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

            • #104008
              PolecatHollerer
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              Very well said! 

              If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

          • #103851
            incognito
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            Progressives include MILLENNIALS,  Baby Boomers and Independents. MILLENNIALS are now the largest voting block and the majority of them support Bernie and they  are the most Progressive generation in history (you’re welcome).

            Baby Boomers, MILLENNIALS and Independents far outnumber “Centrists”. Not to mention all the Republicans who like Bernie.

            Progressives far outnumber so-called “Centrists.” Just compare Bernie’s support to all the “Centrists” running against him. It’s pretty obvious who is going to win IF your “centrist” asshole buddies get the hell out of the way.

            Progressives  are not going to tolerate another stolen nomination from Bernie…so if they do steal the nomination again, welcome to the Fascist States of America. Your choice.

             

             

    • #103853
      ThouArtThat
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      @segami

      Hi segami,

      Great Rant – I have been a Bernie fan ever since his days on the Thom Hartmann program.  For years, Bernie was a fixture every Friday and the message never changed.  My only real regret is that I am now unemployed and have so little to give monetarily.  Had I a magic wand, Billions would flow into his campaign such that no right wing meme could ever appear on public broadcasts.  It would be Bernie 24/7 at every commercial break.  The message of greed, hate and fear would die of oxygen starvation.  Such a dream.

      TAT

      Grief requires us to know the time we're in. The great enemy of grief is hope. Hope is the four-letter word for people who are unwilling to know things for what they are.

      Our time requires us to be hope-free. To burn through the false choice of being hopeful and hopeless. They are two sides of the same con job. Grief is required to proceed.

      - Stephen Jenkinson

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      • #103912
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        @thouartthat , fear not. I’ll just double my next contribution to Bernie for you because I can. Not all that long ago there is no way I could have done that, so I understand you completely.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #103915
          ThouArtThat
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          @ohiobarbarian

          Hi OB,

          Thank You – In 2016, I contributed the maximum amount because I was working at the time.  That all changed in late 2016 with the loss employment from a large, evil corporation.  I can only contribute small amounts now, $ 27.00 every other month.  I appreciate any support you can give Bernie and your understanding.

          TAT

          Grief requires us to know the time we're in. The great enemy of grief is hope. Hope is the four-letter word for people who are unwilling to know things for what they are.

          Our time requires us to be hope-free. To burn through the false choice of being hopeful and hopeless. They are two sides of the same con job. Grief is required to proceed.

          - Stephen Jenkinson

          Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

          - Robert Louis Stevenson

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