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    • #300027
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I feel sadness as I write this, not anger. Looking at things through my simple democratic barbarian perspective, I see that Bernie Sanders has just stolen the chance of millions of his supporters to vote for him and to be able to express their wishes in the time-honored American tradition of voting.

      I see that as a betrayal of all those Bernie supporters in all of the states that have not voted yet who have given their time, money, energy, passion, and zeal to the effort to get Bernie Sanders elected President of the United States. We should have been given our chance. Bernie took that away.

      There is no point in me voting for Bernie in Ohio now. For what? More influence on a campaign platform that exerts absolutely zero real power? Hopes that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats will try to do some of what we want done?

      What’s worse, I know damned well Bernie will endorse and campaign for Biden, or Cuomo or Hillary or Kamala or whoever Obama and Clinton decide to replace him with at the rigged convention this summer. If they’re smart, they’ll hold a virtual convention after the open disregard all but Bernie showed for the health and safety of Milwaukee citizens.

      This time, I will despise him for that. I understand why he will do it; I was raised with similar standards of conduct and behavior as he, so I have feelings on what’s right that I think are similar to his. But they’re just feelings, and Bernie is being selfish by yielding to them.

      Bernie Sanders is putting his own personal code of honor above the interests of his supporters, his country, and the world by dropping out now, and by endorsing and campaigning for his own, and our, political and class enemies later this year. He has betrayed the working class of not just America, but the world.

      That is how I see it. Very, very clearly. I give Bernie all the credit he is due for all the good he has done and will no doubt continue to do, but I have to damn him for turning his coat and assisting the same people who exploit my family. He didn’t have to do this, he will not be rewarded by the Democrats at all, and he must now be abandoned by the movement he helped to create if it is to survive.

      Bernie’s done his bit. It’s now up to the rest of us to move forward. He can no longer lead us, for we cannot vote as he will tell us without voting for what we don’t want in any way, shape or form.

      All progressives of all stripes must ask ourselves if we want to be a part of a movement that will accomplish necessary change, or whether we want to be part of a cult that follows its most prominent leader. Ironically, it will be the Vichy Democrats who demand we act like we are in a cult and to vote how Bernie tells us to to vote.

      They can bugger off. So can Bernie when he urges me to vote for some neoliberal fascist. That will never happen.

      Well, off to peel off the Bernie sticker and go for a walk. I should replace the sticker. I’m thinking of this one:

       

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300041
      salemcourt
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      Any idiot voting for Biden is an enemy of the progressive/working class.  They are no better than the MAGA maggots.   I am also very sad that I will not be able to vote for Bernie in the primary.  This is a total capitulation to the Vichy Democrats!

    • #300055
      David the Gnome
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      @ohiobarbarian

      You understand what is at stake better than most – and my own perspective is that of a poor, broken, (still fairly) young fool who spent too many years doing shit jobs for shit pay.  Early on, in the 2016 primaries, I posted at SV (hadn’t even heard of JPR yet) that “This is our chance.  This is our chance to elect someone who is actually good.  Someone who will actually try to do good things for us.”  At the time, I think I was barely employed – but starting the long fall to where I am now – financially speaking – and speaking in terms of employment/skills and the ability to use them.

      In 2016, when they cheated him out of the nomination, he bowed to the democrats and told us to vote for Clinton.  Much to my regret, I did.  It was actually his urging to do so that helped convince me – I figured we had to stop Trump at any cost.  Now, after almost four years of Trump… I do not know, even now, if he really is the lesser or greater evil.  Evil is evil, whichever letter it wears.

      After everything that has happened, everything we have done, everything we have suffered and hoped for, given our money to, sacrificed our time and so much effort for… he suspends his campaign before the majority have even voted.  Perhaps his reasoning is that he doesn’t want to see more primaries like that of Wisconsin’s yesterday.  If so, he either isn’t see the bigger picture, or has lost all hope.  Here is the truth: It will not matter for most of us whether Trump or Biden (or who ever Biden’s replacement is) wins the election.  Things are going to get worse, life is going to get harder, there is going to be less for everyone – and these fuckers will do everything they can to privatize and profit from what is left.  That is what we have seen for many years now.

      When I discovered an interest in politics – I remember the moment really well… it was during the 2000 debate speech between Gore and Bush Junior.  Junior said “We’re gonna rebuild the military to make peace.”  Right then, right there, I knew he would get us into a fucking war – no one rebuilds a military to make “peace”.  To make peace, you focus on civic and diplomatic action.  I was sixteen – I couldn’t vote yet, but I became a democrat that day.  Then, all those years later, in 2016, I came to despise the democrat party, the establishment, the neoliberal corruption, ignorance and selfishness.  Yet I still went along, the lesser of two evils, supposedly…

      Well, we have seen what four years of Trump has done.  I can only imagine the disasters another four years will bring us.  We can thank the democrat establishment for that.  We can thank Biden, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, we can think the idiot celebrities that supported him, we can thank the media that was obviously all in for Biden from the beginning.  We can thank the corporations and the oligarchs.  If we’re really going to fucking thank anyone though – it should be the corrupt as hell DNC.

      I go back and forth… between anger and sadness.  Man, I didn’t used to fucking cry at all – the anti-depressants make it really, really hard to do.  Now it seems like every day.  The shit going on… day after day, all the corruption, ugliness and greed revealed… and the people, the working people, the poor, the vulnerable, all of just keep getting fucked.  Trump will fuck us – or Biden or his replacement will fuck us.  I’m done bending over and asking for it.

      I will either vote green… or maybe not vote.  This is the first time in my life I have seriously considered not voting at all.  If there is no acceptable candidate who is prepared to reject both the two parties and their bull shit – then I won’t vote.  Bernie ultimately urging us to support Biden is why I will not write in his name, either.  A lot of us fucking did that, Bernie, against our better judgment, we tried.  Then the hag spent all of that time and money to destroy you – just like the DNC and most of their friends.

      Your sig lines say it as simply as it can be said.  They don’t stand for us.  I will not vote for what I don’t want.  I don’t even know how the hell to feel right now, honestly.  Like you, I feel betrayed, angry and sad… and depressed, a mixture, I suppose.  Later it will solidify into something else.  Perhaps rage.

    • #300062
      HassleCat
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      Leading people to believe there is still a chance is another form of betrayal. Allowing voters to cast ballots for a candidate who cannot win is not honest. Voters have to choose among Biden, Trump, nobody or minor party candidate. Telling them they don’t have to face up to making that choice is incorrect. Telling them they still have a reason to vote for Bernie Sanders is not true. I wish Bernie would pull his name from as many ballots as he can, simply because we need to confront the reality that we are doing nothing by voting for him. We’re just deceiving ourselves by thinking otherwise. I am grateful to Bernie Sanders for coming close to breaking the neoliberal death grip on the Democratic Party. It might have been too bold to try it from the top down, by seizing the presidency instead of working from the bottom up. But Bernie gave it a hell of a go.

    • #300065
      MizzGrizz
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      ..another Wisconsin primary,and he may have done so to save lives.

      Of course,there is no,point voting now.So I won’t.

      • #300092
        RufusTFirefly
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        There’s a gigantic fallacy in the argument that by staying in, Bernie was putting lives at risk.

        If I’m not mistaken, most if not all of the states holding presidential primaries had other down-ballot races, ballot measures, etc., in additional to the presidential one. (Wisconsin is a perfect example: there was a very important election for that state’s Supreme Court.) Thus, these elections would need to be held at some point, whether or not Bernie was still a candidate.

        People who tried to urge Bernie to drop out in the interest of public safety were either woefully ill-informed or full of shite.

    • #300071
      Red Cloud
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      Bernie is symptomatic of what has been wrong in the jackass party for decades. They use the left only for voting. The elephant dung fears its’ right and obeys, lest they not show up in numbers.

      This ended Bernie’s last chance to make a major impact, barring Biden nominating him as VP, immensely unlikely, especially since it would really unite the party voters.

      So the Left is again taken both for granted and granite as they leave us with political and global tombstones.

    • #300078
      PADemD
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      Well, at least you still have your good friend Joe Biden, who’s more important to you than climate change, your grandchildren, M4A, and tuition free college.

      Good luck getting any tv interviews.  You’re now irrelevant.

      Don’t bother asking me to vote for Joe Biden.  Not gonna happen.

      • #300086
        alcina
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        Hi, @pademd.

        I sent a similar response:

        Joe Biden is not “a very decent man.” At best, he is a hollow shell of a dementia-addled DINO who has no legitimate reason for running for the highest office in the US. His continued “campaign,” such as it is, represents the nadir of US politics: Two deeply unqualified elites whose cult-like worshipers will try to berate us into accepting the fiction that their particular candidate really and truly cares about someone other than themselves and their wealthy donors. And should Mr Biden’s obvious deterioration accelerate, my opinion regarding whichever DINO understudy replaces him will be the same.

        I will always respect what Bernie Sanders has tried to do, but I will not follow him down the path of lesser evil. So please remove me from your mailing list and any other list you might have.

        "I believe man suffers from an appalling ignorance of his own nature." -William Golding, Lord of the Flies

    • #300087
      PADemD
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      @hassiecat

      I don’t want Bernie’s name removed from the PA ballot.  I have given a lot of money to his campaign, and I still intend to vote for him in the primary.  Maybe write in the general election, too.  I WILL NOT FALL IN LINE AND VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN!

    • #300088
      David the Gnome
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      @hasslecat

      Bernie Sanders staying in the race – as long of a shot as it might have been, was the only thing keeping any hope of reform alive for many of us.  People like me, barely getting by on SSI, we gave our money to the campaign – because we believed he would help create a Country in which we might have more, maybe enough to survive without begging.  Well, as my father used to say, “Shit in one hand and hope in the other – see which one fills up faster.”

      With him gone, the movement he helped create could very well fall apart, or, at the least, have far less impact – and far fewer believers.  When you are the last hope of a people, you don’t back down and back out before the fight is over.  That… I will never accept that.  He will tell us to unify, to vote for Biden – and this time, far more will ignore him, or at least reject his urging.  I will.  Most of us here will.  Millions of others probably will.

      Even the slightest chance was better than nothing.  Now there is nothing to stop the onward march of the oligarchs, the thieves, liars, warmongers, the damn despicable people who are, even now, trying to profit from a global pandemic.

      I can understand that the Wisconsin primary probably made up his mind.  What will happen on election day though – if the virus is continuing to rage?  What will happen if a new wave strikes?  Will Biden or Trump support a mail in election?  Not fucking likely.  Bernie’s was the last sane, decent voice calling for sane, decent things.  With him out, there is no one to keep Biden or Trump in check.  Congress?  Pfft – the only thing they disagree on in truth is which particular millionaires and billionaires they want to give more of everyone else’s money to.

      I’m not sure why I’m even arguing really.  I guess it doesn’t matter anymore.

    • #300109
      incognito
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      when I unsubscribed from his email list. They wanted a reason, I gave them a long list of them.

      He ignored evoting fraud in 2016

      Knowing the 2016 election was stolen, he AGAIN ignored evoting fraud in 2020.

      He ignored election fraud in MA

      He ignored the election fraud in SC… Tom Steyer’s votes counting backwards! COME ON!

      He continued to call his enemies his “good friends.”

      He refused to call Biden out for his past record of  segregationist connections

      He refused to call Biden out for being a RAPIST

      And had I known he would do all of the above, he would not have received one penny nor my support.

      I assumed, STUPIDLY, since he knew, FOR A FACT, the corrupt DNC stole the 2016 election from him, he would NEVER let them get away with it again. I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING FOOL who was played…. for heaven only knows what agenda he had in mind.

      I’m done with Bernard.

      I’m more than finished with this fucking corrupt two party system and I will most likely never vote again.

      I don’t appreciate being used and made a fool of by Bernie or the corrupt DNC.

       

    • #300113
      lownslow
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      Well said, ohio. Thanks for 8 wasted years, bernie. So……..are some of you still pissed at jimmy dore 😆😉

      • #300121
        Ohio Barbarian
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        And not all that funny. @lownslow Of course, I never thought Al Franken was funny and I’m not a George Carlin groupie, either. I certainly don’t share all of his world view, and most comedians, like most artists, are narcissistic assholes when one personally knows them.

        At least, that’s been my experience and the experience of nearly everyone I personally know, so I admit to being guided by that.

        All artists are monsters. –French saying

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300115
      PolecatHollerer
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      You know, @ohiobarbarian, I often agree with your opinions… I don’t recall ever agreeing MORE with anything you’ve ever posted.

      I’m not angry myself- but SAD? Oh, yes, this is a sad moment. Our empire is crashing, our ecosystem is collapsing, and our “leaders” are climbing over each other to steal as much as they can before it all ends.

      🙁

      If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

      • #300162
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @polecathollerer Our empire is crashing, our ecosystem is collapsing, and our “leaders” are climbing over each other to steal as much as they can before it all ends.🙁

        Ayup. That’s it in a nutshell. The end will echo this:

         

         

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300140
      MistaP
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      it took one day in March for my future to be stolen, and not just me but everybody under 50

      • #300153
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @mistap I think either real revolution, or the very easily realizable threat of it, is necessary for your generation to have a chance. The older generations have failed you. You all will have to remember history and make it rhyme in your own way. I don’t know what the final form will be, but it rhymes with

        I hope I live to see it. It will come. It is inevitable now. And, since I am a pagan barbarian at heart, if that means I might die with a weapon in my hand, that just increases my options in the afterlife.

        But tonight, please forgive me if I do and .

         

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300161
      roody
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      In your primaries. The DNC would murder Bernie before they would allow him to win the nomination. Be sad and mad. Bernie needs a rest. The movement goes forward. I’ve voted lesser evil for 45 years and I’m done. I will not vote for either rapist.

      • #300186
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @roody I will probably leave the presidential line blank on my primary ballot. If I hadn’t already completed an application for a mail-in ballot, I would have requested an Unaffiliated ballot to change my party registration and not voted in the primary at all.

        There is no point in voting for Bernie now. None. He, and we, will get nothing but empty promises, lies, and contempt from Democrats. I can no longer in good conscience permit myself to participate in this fraudulent farce of a Democratic presidential primary.

        I can no longer associate myself with a political party which so flagrantly doesn’t even care whether its own voters get sick and maybe die or not. I can no longer associate myself with a political party that transparently engages in election fraud, voter suppression, and servile support of my family’s class enemies who will exploit us to death if we let them.

        Right now, I don’t think I will ever vote for a Democrat again, not even for county council or state representative. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future, of course, but my vote must be earned.

        Bernie previously earned my vote by his consistent support of his policies, but he just forfeited it by bowing down before my class enemies. I gave him quite a bit of money over the years, and did all I could to get others to support him. He betrayed me and the entire working class by quitting when he did, and will do so again when he endorses whoever the Democratic nominee is.

        I owe him nothing, including my vote. That is how I see it. You, of course, are free to act and vote as you think best. I will not damn you for voting for Bernie in the primary; just saying that I will not and why.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300213
      roody
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      than before Bernie suspended. Though I knew the DNC would never allow Bernie to win, I gave and volunteered. With the pressure off, maybe people will vote their consciences and surprise us. I’m staying registered Dem to undermine the party if possible. But I understand your point of view. With the campaign suspended, maybe Bernie will be more critical of the system. I already voted in CA, and am running to be a delegate.

    • #300217
      A Simple Game
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      towards the one person that actually tried to help me and most of the people in this Country and the World?

      Couldn’t Bernie have peacefully spent the last six years just being the junior Senator from Vermont?  I doubt he ran for President for personal gain or because he was on a power trip.

      It seems to me that some people should reconsider who deserves their hate and scorn. Oh my God, Bernie wasn’t mean enough?  Should he have emulated Trump?  Bernie should have fought harder?  Harder than who?  Because he knew when to quit?  The virus has ended this election and everyone knows it.  As one who actually deserves our scorn would say… “Give me a break!”  And I think Bernie deserves a break too.

      I thank Bernie for all he did in the past, in the present, and what he may do in the future.  And we would be wise to wish for more politicians like him.

       

      • #300249
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @asimplegame It is a fact that Bernie is supporting my enemies. Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton are my enemies. So is Donald Trump. By asking me to vote for some neoliberal Democrat, Bernie is asking me to betray the interests of my family and the entire working class for some vile asshole.

        I won’t do it. If that’s scorn, so be it. He throws everything he has stood for away by backing these fucks. After all the time and money I spent supporting Bernie, I owe him nothing after he does that.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #300585
          A Simple Game
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          It seems to me to be less about supporting Biden as it is anti-Trump.  I used to fall into that trap, voting for the lesser evil.  I don’t do that anymore, a vote against someone is a wasted vote.  I only vote for a candidate now.  I feel much better when I walk out of the polling place, even knowing my candidate will lose, when I follow that philosophy.  Is Biden the better of a Trump/Biden contest?  Probably.  Is Biden good enough to earn my vote? No, nor is Trump.

          I am disappointed but not mad, I understand the concept of cutting your losses and the waste of time fighting a losing battle.  I don’t know how much money Bernie has left but I believe he will find good uses for it and it won’t be wasted.   Bernie has moved the Overton window somewhat to the left so that’s a good thing.  I also think the movement towards Single Payer Healthcare is to the point it’s slowly becoming unstoppable.  More people now realize the Democrats as a whole are no better than the Republicans, and neither is serving the public, but just themselves and their corporate masters.  Lots of good to find if you look at this the right way.

          Endorsements, at least for me and even from someone I respect, are meaningless, I vote for whom I consider to be the best candidate if there is one good enough.  Bernie was the best option, it appears he won’t be an option anymore so time to start the selection process again, I’m in New York State so there should be someone, if not I leave the spot blank.

    • #300255
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      My biggest issue with Bernie is that if you decided you were going to run again, than run like you actually wanted to defeat the corporate sellouts you been railing against that control the party the last however many years! That should have been no holds barred type campaigning, no one is your friend, take no prisoners tactics, etc.  He didn’t, he just ran a repeat of 2016 and ended up with the same results. It would be nice if he at least came out and said he wouldn’t be endorsing anyone in 2020 as kind of a FU to Biden and the DNC, but we know that won’t happen either. Too bad, but not surprising at all at the end of the day. I’m just glad I’m about principles and not personalities, so I will just move over to the Greens in 2020, just like I did in 2016. Thanks OB!

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #300340
      tonyl
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      Senator Sanders did articulate a summary of the truth, which, left unsaid, would continue to muddy the political waters for years to come. This truth is that the oligarchy has ruled modern America for decades now to the detriment of the American people. No American from here on should be under any illusion that they have been, and continue to be, living in slavery.

      The chicanery of the oligarchy in the conduct of the charade that will culminate at the nominating convention has ensured that their victory will be a hollow one because, looming out of the future mists is a combination of a health and a financial catastrophe that will ensure that a real revolution is now firmly in your horizon. It is time to start taking names.

      It should be noted that the Sanders campaign ought to have framed their battle a little more clearly. It was never about defeating ‘the most dangerous president in modern American history’; it was always about defeating the oligarchy. That said, the oligarchy and those that have carried water for them will find that there will be no more ‘business as usual’ as the mighty dollar withers under the onslaught of what is coming.

       

    • #300390
      xyzse
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      It really is sad.

      In any case, I just made this below.

      Onward to my next step!

    • #300432
      sadoldgirl
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      While I supported my grandnephews enthusiasm to work

      for Bernie, I warned my nephew of a very serious disappointment.

      It was clear that you cannot call for a political revolution, yet

      work in the system you detest. The fact that Bernie supported

      Clinton instead of accepting Stein’s offer spoke volumes. The fact

      that he refused to support the court case against the DNC, where

      he as the only one would have had standing, made me realize that

      he has an aversion against risks. All he was willing to do is to raise

      a certain awareness within part of the population. Unlike Dore, I

      don’t call him a coward. Jimmy expected too much of him. I rather

      agree with Graham’s description of a “very controlled opposition”.

      You should recall that FDR’s social successes were due to immense

      pressure from formidable and popular “socialists” as well as the

      great depression’s huge unemployment disaster. Until the arrival

      of covid19, the economy appeared to be in a reasonable condition,

      even though all of it was a financial fakery.  If anything will cause

      an uprising a 30%unemployment may, just may, do it. To avoid

      such popular anguish will be the aim of any US administration.

      The social distancing rules help for a short time. As a matter of

      fact more deaths are needed for silencing the people.

      As I stated though I have become a cynic for a long time, which

      means a former ,but extremely disappointed, idealist.

    • #300484
      Segami
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      Voting one’s ‘conscience’ has ZERO teeth to push forward any demands. What progressives need to present now is a unified front who’s willing to do what Bernie should have said to Biden, the DNC and the Establishment……….You either publicly promote to the voting public that your first item on your agenda in the first 100 days is to begin the process of giving people Medicare For All / Single Payer Health Care. That sentiment needs to be in all of Biden’s stump speeches without watering down the terms. If they say NO, progressives should be out advertising publicly and online that a ‘NO VOTE’ for M4A from Biden is a leadership failure against a candidate unable to compromise on Single Payer healthcare.

       

      The simple question is, as progressives, are you ready to draw a line in the sand & burn down Biden’s candidacy (and possibly help elect Trump) if he doesn’t come to the table on major progressive issues? If you’re voting for Biden in order to stop Trump, you’re adding credence to the Thirdway Dem Clubhouse NOT interested in progressive issues……WHY are progressives supporting Biden if he clearly stated that if Medicare For All comes before him on his desk, HE WILL VETO IT??

       

      Biden wasn’t afraid of taking his M4A position or losing progressive support when he made that statement……He knows the machine will be out in full force attacking any progressive desertion blaming them for trying to usher in another Trump term. In a nutshell, they’ll have their bots out in force going after progressives if they try any maneuvers that could hurt Biden’s run.

       

      Biden, the DNC and the establishment need to be told that if they’re incapable of giving progressives a fig leaf on M4A, then their vote will help Trump in order to keep the Dem establishment Clubhouse out-of-power once again. They need to play ‘smash-mouth-politics’ with Biden that Bernie was incapable of directing towards him. They need to threaten to burn-the-house-down if their issues are not front & center with the Biden platform…….NO M4A…..NO SUPPORT OR VOTE!!

       

      They need to be told that progressives are very serious about this action and will come out full force against Biden!!

       

       

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      Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

      • #300533
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @segami You wrote, …they’ll have their bots out in force going after progressives if they try any maneuvers that could hurt Biden’s run.

        Well, we’ve had plenty of practice dealing with them, have we not, for the last four years? They never stopped. She Who Must Be Defeated never stopped. The bots and trolls and Whoopis and Neeras never stopped.

        They hold us in contempt, anyway. If we fall in line and vote for them and they win, they ignore us or chastise us for letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and continue policies that serve the oligarchy. If we fall in line and vote for them and they lose anyway, they say we, and Bernie, didn’t try hard enough. If we refuse to support them they call us Republicans or worse.

        It is well past time we declared political war on them. They’ve been waging one on us for over 30 years.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #300501
      SinMentiras SinVerguenza
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      I too am sad OB.  This feeling we all have today – I have felt that too many times in the past.  It’s political heartbreak.

      This is my list of political gut punches throughout the years:

      Robert Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, Tom Harkin, Jerry Brown, Pat Paulsen, Jesse Jackson, John Edwards, Timothy Leary, Dennis Kucinich, Paul Wellstone, Mickey Leland, Mike Gravel, and on and on …

      We don’t know what Obama said to Bernie during his phone calls with him, but there is a running urban legend that goes like this:  The young and inexperienced person gets elected and shows up for his first day at the job ready to do battle with the Deep State demons on behalf of the ordinary person.  The MIB with green shades take him into a room where they show him the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination as seen through the gun sight.  Perhaps something like this happened to Bernie or perhaps not.  We will never know.   What we do know is that he has suspended mighty early and we are left bewildered and betrayed with nothing to explain it.  But my spidey sense tells me that ex-Prez Sum-ma-ma-bitch was instrumental with this fucked up decision on the part of Sanders.  It’s like we’re living in a re-enactment of the movie Diggstown except instead of James Woods we have Obama doing the thumbs down and Bernie takes a dive.

      I truly don’t like Barack “FlintWater” OBama.  He is the Laissez-faire president whose bungling and betrayal brought us the tanning bed Prezident.  If he had done his fucking job like we hired (voted) him to do, we would not be here.  But he did not jail one fucking piece of shit bankster in eight wealth extracting years.  Not only that, but he let corporate America extort the US and the world by backing the wrong horse … every damn time.  When the oil companies parked their tankers off shore in international waters and waited for the price of oil to spike before unloading their oil at the highest rate possible, he was there to fluff their members as they raped us.  When the Deepwater Horizon took a gigantic oily shit on our Gulf of Mexico and marine life, he was there to deflect the blame and provide the cover for their wicked greedy ways.  And when corporate America used cheap accounting trick after cheap accounting trick to avoid paying their taxes, he was there with IRS agents targeting small business for maximal tax extortion.   Hey, those drones ARE NOT going to buy themselves.  Someone has to pay FOR THAT.  And when the water protectors at DAPL started losing limb and eyesight, he was there with his deep state goons and water cannons.

      Now he is deeply involved in insuring we are left with a senile babbling incoherent old creepy intolerant racist rapist.  I’m sure he thinks highly of himself having rigged this primary against the people by elevating candidate Necro-shit sandwich to eventual nominee status.

      His slogan for what he’s doing is simple:  It’s NOT U, it’s me and my donors bitches.   I have to protect my legacy.  Now, eat your peas, swallow hard, and vote for Vice-Prezident “Twilight”  —  Obama OUT!

       

       

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      RobertFromNC
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      win this time. Last time, I felt like he was running just to get his message out and build up the progressive movement, which makes this feel all the more disappointing to me.

      • #301088
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @robertfromnc Never before in the history of the DLC/Third Way Democratic establishment had they all united in so disciplined a manner against anything. But they managed it to stop Bernie.

        Kinda says something about their priorities, does it not?

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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