Bernie Sanders is dead to me. He is shilling for a senile, corporatist, neoliberal warmonger

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      leftcoast mountains
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      Bernie Sanders is dead to me. He is shilling for a senile, corporatist, neoliberal warmonger who literally told his donors, the real people he answers to, that nothing will fundamentally change if he is elected. He was put in by Obama getting the centrists to drop out & consolidate around the worst of the them. And this is who Bernie confers with before suspending his campaign, not his movement. It is like Jesus conferring with Judas. Today he settled for crumbs: six task forces. We don't need task forces when we have the policies.They just need to be implemented. Bernie could have taken this once in a century moment to vote no on the corporate bailout, quit the Senate and lead his movement in a rent strike, a debt strike and then a general strike. We could achieve actual structural change. But no, once again he sheep herds people back into this corrupt policy being led by Pelosiwho says now is not the time for Medicare for All and a Green New Dream, as she derisively calls it. Now is exactly the time. But Bernie is too timid and his horizons too limited to realize this and do it. Shame!And by the way, all the Bernie supporters who were lapping this up in the FB comments couldn't even tell that Biden was reading every word he uttered off of a teleprompter. He is so senile, his staff no longer trusts him to speak off the cuff.

      Posted by Lauren Steiner on Monday, April 13, 2020

      vote for nobody

    • #302672
      ThouArtThat
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      @leftcoastmountains

      Hi lcm,

      Yep – the ranks of true progressives is growing thinner by the day.  Most have folded like cheap suits.

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

      "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
      - Idries Shah

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    • #302682
      RufusTFirefly
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      … can’t be undone by a single regrettable act.

      By the same token, Joe Biden’s equally long track record of lying, warmongering, racism, sexual harassment, and corporate water-carrying can’t be undone by some empty campaign promises or, dare I say it, by extorted endorsements.

      • #302697
        Red Cloud
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        @rufustfirefly When people stand up for the poor, the downtrodden, our dying planet, the oppressed and on, I will always remember them in my heart. If they shift later on, I still have my memories.

        Case in point: Mama Red Cloud, she worked in a lab at a prestigious university. She helped a major scientist prove to the knuckleheads that cigarette smoking does indeed cause cancer. Because she was full time and because I had great grades in high school, I would be allowed in on a tremendous deal at that university. All expenses paid tuition. Then came the time to euthanize the lab animals. My mother smuggled them out to give them a chance at life, She got caught, lost her job and I lost my chance.

        I never thought anything but the kindest thoughts for my mother and agree 100% with her decision. Later on as I moved away, the corrupt religious brain-washers started taking over her mind. By the time I got back it was too late. I lost my mom as a source of inspiration that day as the woman she once was, but I have her most cherished memories in my heart still.

        And there is room for Bernie there too.

        • #302702
          RufusTFirefly
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          Thank you for your moving and ultimately heartbreaking story, @redcloud, and for your wisdom in recognizing what your mother once did was still courageous despite the fact she lost her way later on.

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        jbnw
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        Nicely phrased!

      • #302815
        sadoldgirl
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        @rufustfirefly: Wrong if you call it

         

         

         

         

         

         

         

        You are wrong if you call it one mistake. Sorry, he made the

        same mistake in 16 by supporting Her. He made a huge one

        by not supporting the court case on his behalf. His strength

        was only by making part of the people aware of the serious

        problems, but he never, ever was willing to take the necessary

        risks to offend the party nor to leave it. You cannot have it

        both ways. Either you call for a revolution or you don’t.

         

         

         

    • #302687
      Pam2
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      ..but I can’t throw Bernie under the bus. We still need him in the Senate.

       

      • #302688
        JonLP
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        Plus I would be shocked if Bernie didn’t endorse him but I’m still voting Green in 2020.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

        Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #302710
      N2Doc
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      Why would anyone think this time would be any different?

      I know we have to go through the “2 minute hate” on Bernie for this endorsement, but maybe after everyone is done venting they can take a deep breath and think of ways to move forward.

    • #302714
      Robbins
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      bernie is done forever in national politics.he sold out all he fought for for good freind biden as well as everyone who had guts to support him despite fact we were atacked and bullied for it.

      unlike 2016 i was prepared for it.he chooce biden enemy of all he has fought for and enemy of all he fought against over his work and his supporters.

    • #302723
      beeninthewoods
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    • #302749
      roody
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      I won’t vote for the Dem nominee this year.

    • #302752
      incognito
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      He didn’t have to suspend his campaign and he absolutely did NOT have to endorse that vile warmongering Rapist POS.

      It makes Bernard a hypocrite.

      I’m done with him. Nothing he says now matters. NOTHING.

    • #302757
      Blue Meany
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      Listening to his conversation with Biden today, it was pretty clear that his campaign has been working with Biden’s for a couple of weeks to tweak their platform.  Biden has clearly moved towards Bernie on prison reform; student debt; climate change; and healthcare.  He’s not endorsing M4A, at least not past the current epidemic, but he is aknowledging that there needs to be big changes in all this areas.  I assume Bernie’s staff has been telling his what he’s going to have to do to have any hope of getting younger people’s vote.  That is actually better than I had hoped for since Biden started winning.

      • #302857
        roody
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        but I think Bernie is doing what he thinks is best for our future. I can’t imagine what goes on in the halls of power, but he knows. He must know that even if we vote overwhelmingly for him, the votes will not be counted.

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      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Jerry Brown for President
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      Beverly Hills Community Access Corp.
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      I ran BHTV, the public access channel for the City of Beverly Hills.

      A&E
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    • #302766
      Earthartist
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      Not gonna happen Joe is not going to change his neocon behavior at 78 going on 120 years of age. The DNC is not going to change their way. I am not going to play with Lucy ever!  did with bill clinton did it with Obummer!  no done done done!

      Earthartist

    • #302776
      not4sale
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      It’s morally bankrupt of Bernie to support someone he’s spent his entire life being opposed to.  To actually beat Trump, we need someone that will fight for Sander’s platform issues of single payer, Soc. Sec. protection, environmental issues, fair wages, free colleges, etc.  Sanders has just become another tool for the corrupt status quo by expecting us to swallow the “must beat Trump” lie.  We’re not buying it Bernie, we never will.

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      Cold Mountain Trail
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      You all think you know something.

      You don’t; it’s still only what you *think* happened, and why.

      Maybe you’re right, maybe not.

    • #302850
      RufusTFirefly
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      It may not start out that way, but at the rate you’re going, that’s how it’s going to end up.

      Just an FYI: political strength comes from building movements, not from taking them apart.

    • #302852
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      I respect Bernie for his service, but I am not following him on Biden.

      To begin with, the Movement as he keeps saying is about US and not himself.

      Biden has no empathy for the young, and offers most nothing.

      The Movement Moves on without Him.

    • #302865
      eridani
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      There is simply no way, should he choose to run on some third partly line or as an independent, that he could possibly build the voter contact database that he would absolutely have to have in order to win.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #302969
      MizzGrizz
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      ..not after all Bernie has done.

      He said he would endorse the nominee and he has kept his word like the gentleman he is.He did so in 2016 as well and nobody hated him then,and Hillary is far worse than Biden.

      I won’t be voting for Biden but I won’t be trashing Bernie.

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