Bernie Sanders is ‘not a great fan’ of Florida and ‘pretty much wrote off’ competing in the state

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    • #483698
      JonLP
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      if he’d been the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee: book

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      In the book, “The Fighting Soul: On the Road with Bernie Sanders,” Rabin-Havt detailed how the Sanders campaign felt strongly that the Independent senator could rebuild electoral strength in core Democratic states while also acknowledging that Florida was not a part of their calculus in defeating Trump in 2020.

      “In our minds, this election hinged on two main factors: geography and trust,” Rabin-Havt wrote. “Hillary Clinton’s 2016 map showed the base of blue states that we believed every Democratic candidate should be able to win.”

      He continued: “To start, we pretty much wrote off Florida. Bernie didn’t mind that strategy. He is, in his words, ‘not a great fan’ of the state. Based on the numbers and our research, we believed that winning the state was a near impossibility for us — and, for that matter, for any Democratic candidate. For Bernie, the state was an amalgamation of our worst-performing demographic groups: elderly voters, Cubans, and upper-class, middle-aged voters.”

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      Rabin-Havt said that the Sanders campaign looked to the swing state of Arizona as a key component in their electoral puzzle, but kept a strong focus on the Midwest and Pennsylvania.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-florida-wrote-off-2020-election-cuban-voters-book-2022-4

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    • #483707
      gordyfl
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      Obama won the state — twice. The first time by almost 3%.

      Trump won Florida. And at the same time they voted for Trump, Floridans voted for $15/hr minimum wage — a core campaign policy of Bernie Sanders.

    • #483714
      Babel 17
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      Reason One being it’s not a good look to write off millions of Americans, and similar voters in purple states you will compete in will notice.

      Reason Two being bang for the buck. If you visit the cities with big league media, you can gain a lot of free press just by holding a few rallies that drew lots of people. No advertising money need be expended, just lots of emails and social media posts advertising the rallies.

      Reason Three being the opportunity to expose the false narrative of your opponents appeal. Pick a few areas with groups you know you can reach, spend a few bucks on outreach, then hold a town hall showing lots of veterans, retired middle class voters, etc., who love you.

      Follow the above, and you get to declare victory while you then quickly move on to another state.

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      • #483737
        gordyfl
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        I went to a Bernie Sanders rally in Florida in 2016. He made three stops that day and our rally was on short notice. The estimated crowd was 5,000 – 6,000. Tulsi Gabbard gave a speech there and introduced Bernie on stage.

        Funny thing….Hillary also showed up at that same complex in that same week. Her venue drew only 200 people. And unlike Bernie’s outdoor rally, The Queen held her event in an air-conditioned room.

        But in the end, Hillary won Florida in the Democratic Primary. Then Florida voters went with Trump in November. Me? I went with Jill Stein.

        • #483780
          djean111
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          when it suits their purposes.  When I voted for Bernie in the primary, all I got was a display that said Congratulations!  You voted!  The poll worker who signed me in had me sign a pad with a stylus that did not really work, too.  My assumption is that either my vote was not really counted, or it was counted for Hillary, or it was thrown out because the signature was wonky.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

          • #483788
            gordyfl
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            It was interesting to me that half the attendees at Bernie’s rally were women. Of those, half were Hispanic. To be fair, the rally was held in an area with a large Splanish population.

            When the rally ended I recorded the crowd leaving. When I watched the video and counted heads, I realized there were actually more women than there were Bernie “Bros”.

            • #483789
              djean111
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              standing around in huge crowds and lines at night – they were not actually “voters”.  In order to explain primary results.  Looks like the DNC was quite successful with the bullshit.  Starting with Bernie.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #483738
      Satan
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      …you can’t really blame him for not being a fan of the state, or what passes for “Democrats” there.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

      • #483749
        Ohio Barbarian
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        It was registered Florida Democrats who made Florida close enough for Bush to steal in 2000, not Nader voters, who wouldn’t have voted for Gore anyway.

        Sanders had a good strategy in Texas until the DNC closed hundreds of polling places, with an assist from the Republican state government.

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    • #483781
      djean111
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      That would be a “why bother voting” or a “vote for an alternative party” for me, please!

      Anyway, the Democratic Party works for the GOP here, methinks, so any vote totals given are most likely pulled out of asses, and then other asses base their opinions on them.  Knowing that election results are corrupted.  But if it suits a narrative, then they are just fine.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

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