Bernie Sanders says opposing Joe Biden is 'irresponsible'

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    • #303241
      JonLP
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      Bernie Sanders said Tuesday that it would be “irresponsible” for his loyalists not to support Joe Biden, warning that progressives who “sit on their hands” in the months ahead would simply enable President Donald Trump’s reelection.

       

      And lest there be any question, the 78-year-old Vermont senator confirmed that “it’s probably a very fair assumption” that he would not run for president again. He added, with a laugh: “One can’t predict the future.”

      Sanders, who suspended his presidential bid last week, spoke at length about his decision to endorse Biden, his political future and the urgent need to unify the Democratic Party during an interview with The Associated Press. He railed against the Republican president but also offered pointed criticism at his own supporters who have so far resisted his vow to do whatever it takes to help Biden win the presidency.

      He seemed to distance himself from his campaign’s former national press secretary, Briahna Joy Gray, when asked about her recent statement on social media refusing to endorse Biden.

      USA Today

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2993775001

       

    • #303243
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      I’m using the PA law recently that lets me mail in my vote. I’m voting for Bernie Sanders. That’s the primary.

      In the General, I won’t sit on my hands because if Biden or Trump are the D and R choice, I still have a G choice.

      Nope… No idle sitting on of the hands here, sir.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #303249
      Pam2
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      …pushing a dementia ridden DINO is irresponsible. Biden is not fit for office.

       

    • #303250
      NJCher
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      I couldn’t say it better.

    • #303251
      Ohio Barbarian
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      No, it’s not Green voters or abstaining voters who are being irresponsible. If anyone is being irresponsible, it is those who have voted for what they didn’t want in the name of voting for the lesser evil since at least 1988. With every LOTE election, the choice of evils just got worse every election cycle.

      Now we’re reduced to choosing between the rapist who hasn’t gotten us into any new wars and the rapist who never saw a new war he didn’t like. Way to go, LOTE voters. I will not go with you.

      Now Bernie’s playing the good little sheepdog for people whose policies and persons I utterly despise. That’s hurtful, and angering. Bernie can bugger right off with that tripe.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #303254
        JonLP
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        Especially the last paragraph. Biden was the worst candidate besides Bloomberg.

      • #303316
        Carolina
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        How dare he turn the table on his supporters. Fuck that shit.

        Remember  one thing: Bernie will be fine regardless of who is president. He gets a great congressional salary, has great healthcare, will have a great pension, and his family will not have to worry. However, for the rest of us voting for either one of those corporate tools has serious and devastating ramifications.

        Vote Green… The party is already on many state ballots and a sizable percentage of voters would make it a force to be reckoned with. It could/would become a party that progressives could mold.

        Bernie needs to STFU. The more he talks after folding like a flimsy tent in storm, the angrier I get and the more inclined to vote against any Democrat. No progressives signed a pledge, and pledges/contracts/promises are broken all the time, especially when one side is shown to be dishonest. I am pissed that I ever donated to his campaign; what a fucking waste!

    • #303253
      FedUp
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      Putting “no fundamental change” Biden into the White House is every bit as irresponsible as giving Trump four more years. The people of the USA are good and truly fucked either way.

    • #303261
      whispers
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      And how irresponsible is it that you, Bernie, dropped out before the convention, and fell in line with those who hate you and what you stood for?

    • #303262
      whispers
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      I plan on being “irresponsible “ until we get a candidate worth my vote!

    • #303264
      PADemD
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    • #303265
      Betty Karlson
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      and we will drop you.

       

      Your movement will go on with or without you. Looks like you made your choice. It’s no longer your movement. Us, not you, and all that.

      It’s our movement now. Fuck you, Bernie.

    • #303278
      HassleCat
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      I don’t always do what he says I should do, but I’m kind of a contrarian. OK, maybe a jerk. Maybe I should accept what happened with more nonchalance, but I’m kind of bitter.

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      • #303322
        Carolina
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        He’s a 78-year-old man with a great Congressional salary, a great pension when he steps down, great healthcare, and benefits for him and his family. At this stage in life, he could’ve told Obama and the Democratic Party to go fuck themselves. The fact that he didn’t and then he yielded so soon, so readily and is now literally kicking dirt in his supporters’ faces is galling beyond words.

        He needs to STFU and go away

    • #303287
      Iorek
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      To keep his Senate committee assignments. He will finish his political career in the Senate. He will continue to fight for what he believes and can do that best from the committees he is currently a member. “Not me, us” was an acknowledgement that this was his last campaign. It’s time for other people to step forward, continue to build the movement, maybe into a new party. I’m sad this campaign came to a premature end, but I’m hopeful that so many of his followers are pushing back at Bernie.

    • #303294
      Tokenlib
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      Bernie may be following his political instincts and trying to do what he feels is the right thing.  But me thinks that Bernie forgets too easily who his real friends are. And that makes me sad.  He owes it to his supporters to show them a bit more respect than this “irresponsible” comment. I’m disappointed.

    • #303300
      David the Gnome
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      He had a responsibility to US.  We kept the faith – he gave up before half the Country even voted.  THAT was irresponsible – and cowardly.

      Third party is the only way to go from here.

    • #303323
      Stockholmer
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      Zero surprise, been saying ‘probably a sheepdog’ since the Shillary endorsement and then hard campaigning for the war slag.

      Yes I know it was (is still for some) an unpopular stance, but I feel vindicated, and also saddened as it was not like Sanders did not have tonnes of chances to seize the initiative and slam Groper to the mat. It is jaw-dropping how little effort the Sundowner had to clock in to be the runaway winner for the Dummicrat nomination.

      The only time he broke a sweat was when a tween or younger girl got too close.

      • #303338
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @stockholmer All I can say in defense of those of us who supported him was it seemed the best thing we could do at the time. He did have a consistent record, though there were warning signs. The biggest, IMO, was his vote for Obamacare in spite of his pledge not to support it if there was no public option. He justified it by Medicaid expansion and the fact that that helped millions.

        Still, I didn’t want to completely distrust a man who had spent so many years earning our trust, and stood head-and-shoulders above the vast majority of other congresscritters. He had advocated for basic social democratic policies for decades.

        I had my doubts about the VDP allowing him to win, but I underestimated their willingness to brazenly cheat even more than they did in 2016 and thought he would at least protest if they did. He didn’t. Not at all. Nope, he folded up like a cheap lawn chair and is now calling his own supporters rude names for not falling into line.

        Now, things will get worse.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #303341
      closeupready
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      Probably for the same reason many of us on JPR aren’t either.  Because IT IS NOT A GENUINE OPPOSITION PARTY.  Supporting Democrats is, for many, tantamount to Stockholm Syndrome.

      No thanks.  But yeah, thanks for playing.

      I mean that, too – I love him for his doggedness and determination in the face of overwhelming opposition.  Nothing can ever change that, or diminish my respect for him.

      But no.  Opposing Joe Biden is NOT irresponsible.  Sorry.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #303359
      sadoldgirl
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      Jessie Ventura was right when he called out Bernie for

      claiming the progressive mantle, but shedding it very

      quickly when asked to take the real risks. So we had

      someone to raise the important issues, yet too  afraid

      to face the consequences for doing so. Okay, Bernie,

      and good buy. Could not stand the heat with true

      fights, and then accuse your supporters of being

      irresponsible shows that you never had the real

      fight in you. Just another great talker. Enough of that!

    • #303387
      3fingerbrown
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      If you want your supporters to vote for the democrat, than why the hell didn’t YOU join the democrat party? The only reason a lot of people supported you was because you weren’t a “democrat”. Fucking lectures is all progressives seem to get from the establishment anymore (yes, Bernie ,you are a part of that establishment).

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #303391
      xyzse
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      Sorry, but the shaming does not work any more.  That was tried before.

      Trump won, guess what?  The world goes on.  Even with these crazy events, the response has been average.

      Obama was lucky that Natural Disasters did not happen much under his tenure.  His response to the Louisiana Flood was tepid, and delayed as well.  Please remember that he was slammed during that period for not visiting that area in the aftermath till he was shamed to do so.  (yes, there are links here, much like most of my posts, I try to link articles proving my point.)

      Point being, NONE of our recent Presidents took measures to mitigate disasters, before or after they happened, to really make substantive measures to improve our situation.

      The reason we’re in this type of bind, is because we don’t manufacture things any more.  Everything was Trade-Dealed away, so that there are barely any factories here in the US.  We are a fragile, not self-sufficient nation.

      The Jobs program was never implemented even though Obama ran with that being one of his chief promises.

      Unless they can prove that there is a substantive difference between a Trump and a Biden Presidency other than presentation and rhetoric, there really is no point.  I’m voting 3rd party.

      Tell that to your colleagues that THEY ARE IRRESPONSIBLE for Kicking the Can down the road, and never really addressing systemic problems that are coming to a head.  Biden is not FIT to lead.

      You know what’s even more sad?  I actually LIKED and still hold some esteem and affection towards Biden.  He shouldn’t have even run. and his handlers allowing him to stumble, addled-through, is the HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY.

      • #303470
        Earthartist
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        We had Obummer telling us BP got this during the oil spill in the gulf for over a month he did nothing, we do not know the real death toll of the oil spill but it is high. There are many many cancer clusters around the gulf from the highly toxic oil dispersants. Not to mention the ongoing death of animals in the gulf. Plus obummers on going slaughter across the Middle East.  I feel the same way towards obama and clinton as I do trump. The only difference is unlike trump they pretend to be swell guys who really care. Trump never did that he just out right toots his own horn 24-7

        Earthartist

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      A Simple Game
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      What I know is that Bernie could have just stayed in Vermont and kept his Senate job for as long as he wanted.  Bernie didn’t have to stick his neck out and run for President against overwhelming odds.  Apparently nobody here has fought a fight against overwhelming odds and had to feel the emotional and physical pressure being exerted against you.  Bernie did advance the movement for M4A, paid tuition, living wage, etc.  The fight he started for M4A .that I do believe will end up being won much quicker because he started the ball rolling and I doubt anyone can stop it now, is enough to earn him my gratitude.

      So how much longer does anyone think Bernie should stare at the writing on the wall and just ignore it?  Does anyone think losing his committee seats would help him, or us, in the end?  Does anyone think a 78 year old man who has had a heart attack, probably brought on by his fight for us, should continue fighting a lost battle?  As someone who’s had two heart attacks I know the toll they take on you even if you supposedly “fully recover.”  I’m sure Bernie had a lot more information to use in making his decision to quit than we have in judging him on his decision.

      If anyone thought Bernie wouldn’t keep his word and endorse whoever the inevitable winner was they really didn’t know Bernie in the first place.  I am disappointed in Bernie’s choice of words, and think that he quit too soon, but that was his choice to make and not ours.  What did disappoint, but not surprise, me the most is that he seemed to put his, in my opinion one-sided, friendship with Biden ahead of what would be best for the Country.  I’m also disappointed in Bernie’s obsession with getting Trump out of office.  Yes Trump is not good for the Country, but neither will Joe be good for the Country.

      Finally, no I will not be voting for Joe or Trump, but I will most likely vote.  I will also still be grateful to Bernie for doing what so very few have done which is try to unselfishly help the average people of this Country and the world.

      • #303428
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        @asimplegame No one here is doing that. There’s this tendency, in American politics if not all, for people to paint individual politicians and leaders as all good or all bad. Many will never say anything bad about a politician they like and defend them no matter what they do, or give credit to those they dislike when those politicians stand up and do something positive and courageous.

        For many, loyalty to the individual leader is paramount–witness both Obama and Trump supporters–for others it is a political party as a whole, but I think for a plurality of Americans it is the policies they espouse and what they actually do.

        Bernie Sanders steadfastly supported social democratic policies his whole life and mostly refused to fight for one political party for the sake of that political party, until now. He performed an invaluable service to America by shifting the Overton Window to the left by making health care and education and housing as rights thinkable again.

        I think I speak for the majority here when I say most of us do appreciate what Bernie had done for the last 5 or 6 years. Nothing said in the comments here takes anything away from that.

        But if your fishing line’s caught on a snag near the rocks and a storm’s coming, it’s time to cut that line and get the hell out of there. Or if a friend betrays one, then one must recognize the betrayal for what it is. Bernie just betrayed his entire movement by telling us it is irresponsible to oppose a corrupt warmonger who has absolutely no intention of implementing the policies we and the world need. 

        That is just a fact we must accept. Sanders has placed party over principle and attacked his own supporters with an insulting smear. It is time for us to cut him, and the Democratic Party as a whole, loose and start charting a new course. That takes nothing away from Bernie Sanders for helping to get us as far along as he did.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #303450
          Betty Karlson
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          We are not hating Bernie, we just hate what he did to us in the end.

          We need to move forward without him. That means that from now on, we will ignore him, while holding out hope that eventually he will come to his senses and be on our side again.

        • #303457
          A Simple Game
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          I will continue to judge Bernie by his actions, past, present, and future not for his use of a single word.  And yes I do think people in this thread are unfairly dissing Bernie.

          There is also a saying, I can’t remember it word for word or the author, about when reading something you can disregard all words that come before the word but.  There is also a lot of truth to that saying.

          People use words all the time, sometimes they choose words wisely that fit the condition well and sometimes they don’t.  I screw up my word selections all the time.  Knowing that I don’t take adjectives people use to describe me too personally.  Life is just too short for that.  Using the word betrayal seems as harsh as using the word irresponsible to me, should I pass judgement on anyone for using it so casually or just consider it a poor choice?

          Bernie’s choice of words may have been poor but who didn’t know he was going to endorse the inevitable winner?  The DNC had obviously made it’s decision and anyone that didn’t realize continuing his campaign would be a waste of time and money was only fooling themselves.  I did hold out some hope that Biden would do something so over the top he would have to drop out but his staying in isolation vastly reduced that possibility.  Bernie dropped out because the fix was in and it would have been foolish to continue, Biden made it obvious there would be no concessions to the progressives.  Telling everyone you are going to do an endorsement, just like he did in 2016, and then doing it is a betrayal?  I think not.

      • #303443
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        He carried the progressive banner as far has he could.  His family was murdered by Hitler and his Nazi supporters.  He has repeatedly spoken about the immediate threat and clear and present danger of Trumpler to the safety, security, and lives of the people of the US and the planet.

        He is not wrong.  Under present circumstances, he would be remiss in his duty as a US Senator, and would be violating his Oath of Office, if he did not do everything within his power that is legal to remove Trumpler from power.  Yeah, Biden is awful, anyone with a shred of a clue knows this, and Bernie knows this better than most.  He is just doing the most logical and reasonable thing possible for him to do under present circumstances, to quell the immediate threat of Trumpler to We, the People, the Constitution of the United States, and the sovereignty of the nation itself.

        Anyone who can’t see, hear, smell, intuit or otherwise sense that Trumpler is an immediate threat and clear and present danger to the US, the planet, and everything decent in the world is a fucking idiot and future candidate for a Darwin Award,

        Oath of Office for a US Senator

        I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

        • #303446
          Ohio Barbarian
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          @ravensong Unfettered capitalism is, and all electing Joe Biden will do is to guarantee someone even worse than Trump in the future. Better four more years of Trump than eight years of Vichy Democrat rule that guarantees someone approaching a real Nazi who will make Trump look like a relief.

          Trump’s a symptom of Obama and the corrupt Democratic Party. They made him possible.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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            ravensong
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            and objective reality shows that no one does it deadlier, more authoritarian, and more destructively than Trumpler.

            https://ncov2019.live/data

            “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

            The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
            ~ Unknown

    • #303420
      MizzGrizz
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      That doesn’t influence me.And I won’t support Biden.

    • #303438
      Fasttense
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      It is elder abuse. His wife and the filthy rich establishment Dems should be ashamed of themselves for forcing or allowing that sad looking Biden to run as a candidate. It’s just all so pathetic.

      No, I won’t be voting for that pathetic man or the psychopath in office now. But I’ll be voting

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