Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say

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  • #249996

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    January 13, 2020

    MJ Lee

    (CNN)The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren’s apartment in Washington, DC, one evening in December 2018. The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.

    The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.
    Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.
    The description of that meeting is based on the accounts of four people: two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting.
    That evening, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics, according to one of the people familiar with the conversation. Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.
    Sanders denied the characterization of the meeting in a statement to CNN.
    I take it the media is just drooling over this crap.

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    They may be drooling over this, but considering

    Trump’s ways I would have to agree with Bernie.

    Even if you take away the tweets, I could see

    Trump killing her chances in any debate.

  • #250007

    The Red Menace
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    Ooooooh, third-party hearsay. That’ll get ‘im!

    This kinda underscores how apparent it is that Warren believes her gender is her primary merit.

  • #250008

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    Like the women voters put Hillary in office?  Bernie is right – a woman cannot win if they are running on the woman card.  and Warren is not a Progressive.  She is a capitalist through and through.

    And this is hearsay bullshit.  Now that Bernie is pulling ahead.  Filthy Hillary Brock-roach tactics.

    I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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      I’ve always found women are the first to rankle at that: of the half of the population that I know, none of them are screaming incompetents and would take it as the highest of insults to say they failed because they were female!

  • #250009

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    Bernie denies this smear started by hillbots!  Warren has been silent.

  • #250020

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    Anonymous sources spout bullshit. ClintonNewsNetwork at again with ID politics and smears.

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    Oh, really?

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      Did all those women win by playing the woman card?    And Warren with her capitalism and her markets is no one I would trust with the economy.

      Warren saying she would win because women would vote for her – nope.  That is not a good reason, and did not work last time.  Like Hillary, looks like that’s all Warren has got.

      I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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  • #250025

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    Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics

    Focus? It’s an all consuming pathological obsession which will lead to their ruin…

    Warren has grown increasingly vocal over the past few months on the role of sexism and gender inequality in politics

    …and Warren has decided to take the baton passed to her by Hillary. But what choice does she have? She has been sliding right, moving away from issues, and id politics is always what they turn to when they offer nothing else.

    Anyway, I find it hard to believe Bernie said this. It’s ridiculous to think a woman couldn’t win. That being said, if the tone of your campaign is  “Vote for me or you’re a sexist,” don’t be surprised if it turns people off, or even ends up as a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

    You would think the neolib women running would take a page from Obama rather than Hillary, but I guess it’s for the best that they are sabotaging themselves. He didn’t campaign on being black, and he didn’t whine constantly about being treated unfairly, and he didn’t respond to every single critique with accusations of racism. And he won. He may have been a bad president, but he was a good campaigner.

    Man, woman, animal, vegetable, or mineral, anyone running for office is going to be subjected to criticism and attacks. People do see through dishonest accusations of racism and sexism, especially when it’s your go to response every single time you’re challenged.

  • #250031

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    Looks like the Vichy Dems are not only crying me a river, but an imaginary river to boot.

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    You can BE SURE that Warren will remain silent on this for as long as possible.

  • #250036

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    Lightly sourced Bullshit.

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  • #250037

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    So we don’t know what was actually said and this is coming from people who were not in the meeting, NOT from Warren.  Sanders has always put idpol on the back burner while championing a more policy-based campaign. Sanders doesn’t go around talking about how jewish he is, how he will be the first jewish president or anything of that sort.  I have no idea what Sanders may have said in that one on one with Warren but I’ll say: simply being a woman does not mean you will get women’s votes. The proof being that 53% of white female voters went to Trump over Hillary in 2016.

    A common tactic especially in the Clinton camp, is to accuse the other side of attacking you right before you launch your attack on them. It is the political equivalent of the false flag.  Posting something in a slack group and screenshotting it before it is removed fits this method.  We all remember the tactics used against Sanders in 2016 where agent provocateurs would post something in a Sanders’ FB group, such as hate speech or porn, then another one would alert on it and get it shut down at a crucial moment such as the eve of a primary.

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  • #250041

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    CNN is making a HUGE deal of this right now. The media are useless. All they do is ignore the issues and stir up a tempest in a teapot.

  • #250043

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    Is this the O’Keefe bullshit?

    That doesn’t sound like anything Bernie Sanders would say and I certainly don’t believe anything Warren and her cohorts say.

    He said, she said. Non story.

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    After the election in 2016 I was told I was a misogynist because I didn’t vote for HRC.

    I replied that “I voted for a woman for President. I just didn’t vote for the corrupt, wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman-Sachs one.”

    I think a woman could easily get elected if she ran on issues, not the gender card. So far all I’ve seen out of the DNC supported women is “Vote for me because I’m female.”

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    The relentless ratf**kery by Clinton News Network has fully refreshed my Bernie or Bust sentiment.


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  • #250061

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    Well, as many know, the only ones I ruled out completely was Biden, Kamala and Buttigieg.

    Congratulations to Elizabeth Warren, with this, and her running her mouth about a debunked story about Bernie’s campaign instructing his supporters to go after her and others…

    She really needs to figure herself out.  She’s now unacceptable to me.

  • #250064

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    I for one do not believe for a minute that Bernie even said it.

    He has always been positive about others and always been a gentleman….even when he probably shouldn’t have been.

    The stench of a DNC dirty trick is strong.

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    And get this: he was in blackface at the time, and he said it to her in Russian!

  • #250077

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    Here’s the thing – even if this were true – I would still vote for Bernie because this has fuck all to do with the issues that affect our lives.  There is literally nothing Bernie could do or say that would get me to vote for any of the other candidates.    They still stink on the issues.  And, really, those who expected me to vote for a sleazy Clinton and her sleazy husband  can just fuck off.

    I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

    Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

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