Bernie’s Last Chance

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    • #286886
      ZimInSeattle
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      Heading into a one-on-one debate with Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders should not go gentle into that good night

      If Bernie Sanders believed he could win, he’d be trying harder to hype this weekend’s “virtual debate” with Joe Biden.

      Originally, the one-on-one showdown was scheduled in Arizona. In a surreal concession to the coronavirus disaster, the CNN-hosted affair will instead feature just Biden and Sanders onstage in Washington, D.C., with no studio audience.

      We’re in a rare moment when boxing clichés are appropriate to politics. Sanders needs a knockout to stay alive. More than that, he needs people to see the knockout. He needs to hype the fight, which he hasn’t, suggesting he’s already given up.

      It’s too much to expect him to say something like, “Sunday will be a bloodbath,” or “I’m gonna beat Joe so bad, he’ll need a shoehorn to put his hat on.” There’s not a whole lot of Muhammad Ali in Bernie Sanders. There’s not a lot of Ali in most people.

      More at above link.

      Bernie won’t go after Joe his good friend, I’m afraid. Our only hope is #JoeMentia has a full on meltdown on stage. There’s still time though for the DNC to scream coronavirus & cancel the ‘debate’.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK "If wars can be started by lies, they can be stopped by truth." ~ Julian Assange #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #286893
      gordyfl
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      I’m afraid the news media will only show Biden highlights after the Debate.

    • #286899
      JonLP
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      It will be a civil debate 1 on 1 unlike the 7 candidate debates that Sanders called a “food fight”.

       

      Sanders Offers Biden A Path To Win Over His Movement

      Bernie Sanders is staying in the race for president, but he made it obvious on Wednesday that he sees Joe Biden’s clear path to the nomination.

      “While our campaign has won the ideological debate, we are losing the debate over electability,” Sanders said. The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, “but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe.”

      To date, the former vice president has won 15 states, while the Vermont senator has won or led the popular vote in eight. Biden currently has a delegate lead of around 150, with a favorable map of states ahead.

      Sanders has acknowledged that the movement he promised to deliver him the nomination is not showing up in big enough numbers. But he’s warning Democrats not to write off the strongest parts of his coalition — young voters and Latinos, particularly emphasizing the former on Wednesday: “We are winning the generational debate.”

      https://www.wfae.org/post/sanders-offers-biden-path-win-over-his-movement#stream/0

      What he should or shouldn’t do is a different story. Sanders is trailing around 30% in Monday’s polls. Sanders has very odds to win the nomination unless a miracle happens but in any case still vote as if the primary isn’t over.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #286910
      Bernie 4 2020
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      I’m saving my post until Wednesday. Needless to say, I am not a happy camper at this stage of the election.

      I will be a Bernie supporter FOREVER. This whole thing with Bernie and his people oriented policies were meant to be introduced in this day and age!! Many have tried and failed in the past. Succeeding was almost impossible. It's kind of a gimme in today's corrupt 2 party system that you have to work within. Just look how things have changed in the past 8 years from Bernie's policies. It was meant to be. Wait it out. Change will come. Thank you Bernie for all you've done. You are a truly amazing person.

    • #286911
      RufusTFirefly
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      … but note that he says nothing about highlighting Biden’s obvious cognitive decline.

      And that’s as it should be.

      Assuming that Bernie wages a gloves-off attack on Biden’s appalling record and his corporate-friendly, people-hating platform, any attempts by Biden to fight back will make his growing deficiencies, both political and cognitive, abundantly obvious. Bernie just needs to give him enough rope, and Joe will do the rest.

    • #286915
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      “give him enough rope, and Joe will do the rest.”

      +++++

    • #286918
      incognito
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      Kid gloves will remain on.

      If Bernie hasn’t changed yet, after BLATANT ELECTION FRAUD, attacks from Warren, Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar and the corrupt corporate owned MSM propaganda networks …. he’s NEVER going to change.

      Shit… he called JoeMentia his friend AGAIN TONIGHT during his Fireside Chat! And that’s when I turned him off. Enough of that shit.

      • #286947
        ronRonnie1
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        I’m done with Bernie.  That doesn’t mean I’m going to let any run of the mill Hilbot or Trumptard talk shit about him, but I’ve personally moved on.

    • #286924
      rudycantfail
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      that Bernie will wage a gloves-off attack on Biden’s appalling record? I hope I’m wrong but I’ve seen nothing that would indicate he will do that during this entire campaign, especially when it counted.

      • #286929
        JonLP
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        Biden readies plan to finish off Bernie

        Joe Biden has long complained about the crowded debate stage and a restrictive format that doesn’t allow enough time for candidates to speak.

        Now, in his one-on-one debate Sunday with Bernie Sanders, he finally gets the debate terms he wanted — and an opportunity to convince Democrats the race is effectively over.

        Expectations aren’t high for the former vice president after a series of mediocre debate performances during primary season. The Sanders campaign, among other Biden detractors, views the debate as a chance for him to fall flat on his face, reviving questions about the durability of his candidacy just as Biden is poised to break the race wide open with a four-state sweep in the March 17 primaries.

        But in years past, Biden has thrived in the one-on-one format during vice presidential debates. His plan Sunday is to focus on his electability and how he’s in sync with the Democratic electorate after winning 15 states, according to aides.

        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/14/biden-sanders-2020-endorsements-129182

        The reason why I say Sanders has that debate strategy is because after he lost Michigan he held a press conference which I posted a link with his quotes from that press conference. It was pretty much a semi concession speech. I think he wants to help Biden win over progressives by getting him to accept some of his policies but Biden’s wing just want to kill the progressive movement.

        Despite all that said I will never forgive the party for the establishment coup.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

        Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #286933
      rudycantfail
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      His brain doesn’t work properly. And Bernie can’t land a fucking punch. I’ve seen a lot of bizzarro political theater. This one is as weird as it gets.

    • #286994
      Goldfish
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      I’m inclined to believe as you do.  I’ll be watching the debate, and I’m sure Bernie’s going to refer to Biden as his friend again.  When JoeMentia gets confused or flustered about countering Bernie’s stance on issues, he will probably say something like, “That’s what I’ve been thinking and saying all along and I’m glad you agree with me,” in effect stealing  Bernie’s idea or thunder away from him.

    • #287021
      sadoldgirl
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      For quite a time I have thought that Bernie does

      not want to win. Perhaps he knows that with most

      of the congress -as is- he has no chance to achieve

      anything. Perhaps he feels that it is utterly useless

      to fight TPTB. Perhaps he still has this dream that

      the Dem party can be changed from within. Perhaps

      he and his family have received enough threats. All

      of these possibilities and more could be thought of,

      but the longer this primary proceeds his caving has

      become evident to me. Don’t forget that FDR had to

      deal with at least three populists with a strong following,

      and a serious bad economic situation to lead him to

      make changes. Also, FDR was a strong fighter, who was

      lucky to survive a coup. Now the situation is quite different.

      Bernie is alone as a populist leader, propaganda against him

      is overwhelming, and his “own party” detests him. Whether

      you like it or not FDR was a heck of a lot younger than Bernie

      as well; as a matter of fact he died at a younger age than now

      is Bernie’s. Unless we find a lot of younger populists with Bernie’s

      proposals or ideas, some like Tulsi, the status quo will persist.

      Jmho

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