caliny (2392 posts)December 9, 2017 at 5:52 pm
Bernie’s statement on the #UnityReformCommission
— People For Bernie (@People4Bernie) December 9, 2017tokenlib, Utopian Leftist, Scuba and 10 othersDoremus Jessup, twenty, wilsonbooks, tonyl, Marym625, PADemD, Peace Patriot, CalGoldenBear, Charles, elias39 like this
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elias39 (4969 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 6:02 pm
1. Hmmm. Bernie – ever the optimist.“Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
Ferd Berfel (6135 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Blind optimism is dangerous .
:sigh:…and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. - There is only ONE solution to this mess: New Party !
Fordfairlanestl (1486 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 6:55 pm
3. I'm sorry,
but I’m not impressed. The super delegates should be abolished. I am shocked he didn’t say that. And I trust Perez about as far as I can throw him.There is no one like Bernie Sanders. NO ONE!!! I ONLY vote for grass root "progressive" politicians that support: "Single Payer", "Tuition Free College",and "15 bucks an hour". The cause is right!! The time is NOW!!! That is all..... Have a great day.
CalGoldenBear (1465 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 7:08 pm
4. With a time-date stamp of "11:33 a.m. – Dec. 9, 2017," presumably they
wrapped things up in time for lunch. So far, nothing in ye olde inbox from either Sen, Sanders or Our Revolution So at the monment this account from Huff Post will have to do:
“Sixty percent of Supers” will be chopped, hopefully mostly the lobbyists and other fat cats while giving preference to federal and state elected officials.
BUT what about a requirement that on the first ballot at the 2020 national convention, the “unpledged” Supers must vote in accordance with their state’s primary or caucus vote, just like the “pledged” delegates that the candidate won in the primary or caucus vote? (For example, the HI 2016 Dem Party of HI caucus went 70% for Bernie, 30% for Shrillary, and that’s how delegates were allocated at the May DPH state convention).
Fordfairlanestl (1486 posts) (Reply to CalGoldenBear - post #4) December 9, 2017 at 7:40 pm
7. 40% left?
40% of corrupt IS STILL corrupt.
Comprehende Bernard?There is no one like Bernie Sanders. NO ONE!!! I ONLY vote for grass root "progressive" politicians that support: "Single Payer", "Tuition Free College",and "15 bucks an hour". The cause is right!! The time is NOW!!! That is all..... Have a great day.
Marym625 (29222 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 7:08 pm
5. I hope he's treading lightly with an intent
But a little disappointed. However, he is clear, this won’t workTake Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
dreamnightwind (1579 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 7:10 pm
6. Kudos to Bernie
He worked hard to get these reforms.
Is it enough? No, and I’d rather he was ready to kickstart a new party.
But clearly he isn’t, and while it’s easy for us to criticize Bernie for accepting half a loaf, the reforms won are significant. He is known as the amendment king for skillfully working for progress even when his full agenda is impossible. That’s who Bernie has always been, and it does a lot of good.
The proposals, guided by the commission’s official mandate, are significant. Members of the 21-person commission are still finalizing the language in the report they will present this weekend, but Democrats in and around the Unity Reform group say the recommendations would effectively reduce the number of superdelegates by about 60%, require absentee voting and mandatory vote counts in caucuses, encourage states to allow same-day party and voter registration, and set new guidelines at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to prevent conflicts of interest and ensure that the party remains neutral during presidential elections.
It’s a large step in the right direction, and for this progress, Bernie has done most of the heavy lifting. So for that, I sincerely thank him.
On the other hand, I still think the best way for us to force the party to change (or if not, to just go away), is to build an alternative populist party that will serve as a political home to those not represented by either corporate party (that’s pretty much everyone but the wealthy.)
CalGoldenBear (1465 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 7:44 pm
8. Here's Politico's report from later this afternoon:
Note the second paragraph: “The Democratic Party’s Unity Reform Commission is recommending cutting the number of superdelegates by about 400, equal to a 60 percent reduction. Many of the remaining superdelegates would see their vote tied to the results in their state.” (Emphasis added).
That’s the point I wondered about earlier. Now on to the rules committee and then the DNC. In the meantime, all of us lefties had better be raising holy hell with our state parties to urge Rules/DNC approval of the Unity Reform Commission’s work.
tonyl (1047 posts) (Reply to original post) December 9, 2017 at 8:00 pm
9. He has been consistent .. I think .. in line with
not he, US !!Because you cant have integrity occasionally
CalGoldenBear (1465 posts) (Reply to original post) December 10, 2017 at 12:11 am
10. Looks like Daniel Marans wrote a new article this evening or
updated this afternoon’s article:
From this latest version by Marans: “The Unity and Reform Commission members proposed binding all but the highest subset of superdelegates to the choice of Democratic voters in their state, resulting in a reduction of over 60 percent in the number of ‘unpledged’ convention delegates.
“Former presidents, former vice presidents, former DNC chairs, as well as sitting members of Congress and sitting governors would retain their superdelegate privileges under the proposal.”
BTW, for those interested in “the numbers,” according to Wikipedia, there were 712 “unpledged” Supers, many of whom were lined up by “the inevitable one” even before the start of the IA caucuses and NH primary in early Feb. 2016.
Coldmountaintrail (4721 posts) (Reply to CalGoldenBear - post #10) December 10, 2017 at 1:20 pm
12. what i'd like to see is some hard numbers: how many delegates are gone,
how many of the remaining will be forced to vote for the nominee their state caucuses/elections choose, and how many are this:
The Unity and Reform Commission members proposed binding all but the highest subset of superdelegates to the choice of Democratic voters in their state, resulting in a reduction of over 60 percent in the number of “unpledged” convention delegates.
I can’t find those numbers, nor can i deduce them from the article.
CalGoldenBear (1465 posts) (Reply to Coldmountaintrail - post #12) December 10, 2017 at 1:59 pm
13. I would hope to get an e-mail from Our Revolution prez. Nina Turner, James
Zogby, RoseAnn DeMoro or Jeff Weaver (or even Bernie himself), who I believe were all there for the Fri-Sat sessions, giving everyone more detail, particularly NUMBERS.
Over the next few months, I presume that progressive organizations that sprang up since mid-2015 and revitalized older such organizations will all be organizing, coordinating, and mobilizing their members to pressure the 447 or so DNC members to democratize the DNC and make it more transparent.
The Dem establishment may have the bucks, but it’s the rank-and-file that has been fired up by Bernie and has the enthusiasm, looking to 2018. We’re the ones who provide the man/woman-power to canvass, phone bank, recruit Party members, and register voters. After all. “Money doesn’t vote, people do” and dismiss or piss us off and we’ll stay home on election days (or vote for challengers in the primaries, reducing the elected Superdelegates).
mmonk (2742 posts) (Reply to original post) December 10, 2017 at 3:26 am
11. They aren't even going to vote on this until the fall.
The Rules Committee is stacked with lobbyists. The movement can’t wait.