Beyond Bernie: The Socialist Alternative’s ‘what next for the political revolution

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      eridani
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      ’https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/05/18/beyond-bernie-the-socialist-alternatives-what-next-for-the-political-revolution/

      It seems to me that the greater emphasis should be put on the down ballot races, even as progressives and socialists move towards unification in the 2022 and 2024 elections. First, every third party movement should emphasize, in bold red on every sign:

      They should put their own party’s sign and symbols on the sign but emphasize that they are united with all progressives and socialists.

      Second, they should meet locally in local conventions and choose who they want for Congress, Senate, Governor, state and local offices. If there is a Democratic candidate (or Republican candidate) who is progressive and/or socialist, they should back that candidate. If the all the Democratic and Republican candidates are lousy, then collectively they should select a candidate whom they can all support. And during the election campaign, they should try to sway local voters to choose their candidate.

      Third, they should carry their solidarity signs, they should work to bring the Bernie-ites into their group, and they should shout:

      And they should make it clear that everyone should vote for Biden as that is the only way to kick Trump out of office. In meetings with supporters, they should make it clear that they are not voting for Biden but voting against Trump. In other words, they are not working to become part of Democratic Party but to destroy the Democratic Party by building the new party that all progressives and socialists want. They should work towards establishing a program and a platform that meet the needs of the people. They should support rent and worker strikes. They should espouse Medicare for All and Free College for All. They should raise money to support the local candidates they have chosen but not send a nickel in to the Democratic Party. Those who are members of the Democratic Party should make it clear that they are planning on leaving that Party as soon as the election is over,

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #316943
      Voltairine
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      But as both are horrible, vote neither.

      Aloha!

    • #316951
      GZeusH
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      No, war-monger Joe is NOT a lesser weevil when it comes to military adventurism.

    • #316956
      retired liberal
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      @eridani has the correct idea. Trump is a rubber room candidate disaster. Biden is a controlled, addled brain puppet, that should be running as a Republican.
      The Democratic party is not much better than the Republicans. Both Mitch and Nancy need to be primaried. How we gonna fix this country?

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

    • #316961
      jwirr
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      I totally agree with future action between parties. We need to build the new party so that we have a common place for a good candidate to run. Even back in 2016 Bernie looked for a third party that he thought could win before he agreed to run in the D party. That obviously did not work out. I voted green in 2016 and do not know what I will do in 2020 but I do not feel comfortable with either major candidate and do not see any other capable of winning.

      tRump is dangerous in many ways – nukes, his ignorance in the medical field (esp. with the WHO issue – we do not need a polio pandemic on top of the one we already have), fascism, his attitude toward climate change, his lack of concern for anyone who is not rich already, his destruction of the Supreme Court, his corruption.

      Biden – I have had plenty of chances to vote for him in the past and didn’t see him as worth it then and I see even less now. One way or the other we are going to end up with one of these idiots as president for the next 4 years.

      If we get tRump for four more years he is sure to create more hatred towards the Rs and people like him. On the other hand Biden will allow the Vichy Ds to continue building their mess bigger. I am thinking that America has not learned its lesson yet and either of these are likely to be the means of our education. tRump we know is a devil. Biden is still fooling a lot of people. The question to me is still which way to go?

      jwirr

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      salemcourt
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      “even as progressives and socialists move towards unification in the 2022 and 2024 elections”  Why not all progressives vote for the socialist candidate in 2020 instead of waiting till 2022?

    • #316974
      GlennDITM
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      I will vote Green.

      "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."- Winston Churchill

    • #316986
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I will not support Fascists or those who support them. If I do that, then I am the one supporting Fascism, and I just can’t do that. If that means the country burns, well, karma’s a bitch.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #317023
      roody
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      Never Trump

    • #317063
      closeupready
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      I’m doing whatever I want to do, with Biden’s blessing.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #317065
      closeupready
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      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #317100
      rudycantfail
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      How are we not past this by now and why are we still wasting time and energy discussing this?

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