Biden accusses Bernie's campaign with doctoring a video about Biden supporting Paul Ryan's privatizing of Social Security
January 18, 2020 at 9:37 PM - Views: 94 #252692RealityReduxParticipant
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I don’t yet have a url to post about his dust up between Biden and Bernie’s camp, but this could turn into a heated battle going into Iowa between them. Biden is calling for Bernie to denounce the video. Knowing Bernie like we do, and if true, he may fire the person responsible for this.
January 18, 2020 at 10:00 PM #252697djean111Participant
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IMO the DNC/Democratic Party wants Bernie to drop out NOW, before voting can begin. So they will be flinging their feces all over the place.
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January 18, 2020 at 10:16 PM #252703glindaParticipant
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Tons of land mines coming.
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January 18, 2020 at 11:04 PM #252722PADemDParticipant
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This is the real @JoeBiden.
Joe Biden praises Paul Ryan, says he was right to cut social security and medicare. pic.twitter.com/kbceIQlwaT
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January 18, 2020 at 11:22 PM #252756ThouArtThatParticipant
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Link to Reuters News Article.
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January 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM #252767game meatParticipant
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Seems like they took Biden out of context in this case, unfortunately, but he did say something about “adjustments,” and has been open to it in other interviews, I believe.https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/
This is what Biden said about Ryan:
“Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code. What’s the first thing he decided we had to go after?” Biden said, with a slight smirk. Biden then leaned into the microphone and said in a deep menacing voice: “Social Security and Medicare.”
Biden continued: “Now, we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare.” He then sarcastically whispered: “That’s the only way you can find room to pay for it.”
The Biden campaign said that he was mocking Ryan.
The Sanders campaign omits what Biden said next :
“Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.”
January 18, 2020 at 11:46 PM #252775gordyflParticipant
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“I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, I tried it a fourth time.”
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“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.”
[…]<u>BIDEN’S FIXATION</u> on cutting Social Security dates back to the Reagan era. One of Ronald Reagan’s first major moves as president was to implement a mammoth tax cut, tilted toward the wealthy, and to increase defense spending. Biden, a Delaware senator at the time, supported both moves. The heightened spending and reduced revenue focused public attention on the debt and deficit, giving fuel to a push for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.
In the midst of that debate, Biden teamed up with Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to call for a freeze on federal spending, and insisted on including Social Security in that freeze, even as the Reagan administration fought to protect the program from cuts. It was part of the Democratic approach at the time not just to match Republicans, but to get to their right at times as well, as Biden also did on criminal justice policy.
“So, when those of my friends in the Democratic and Republican Party say to me, ‘How do you expect me to vote for your proposal? Does it not freeze Social Security COLAs for one year? Are we not saying there will be no cost-of-living increases for one year?’ The answer to that is ‘Yes, that is what I am saying,’” Biden said in a Senate floor speech in April 1984, referring to the adjustment that millions of seniors look for every year.
January 21, 2020 at 5:29 AM #253737eridaniParticipant
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Joe Biden Tried to Cut Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare for 40 Years
Following what he termed an “olive branch” from Reagan — a spending freeze that also raised taxes — he linked arms with two Republican colleagues on the Senate Budget Committee to introduce his own freeze proposal in 1984. Acknowledging it would be labeled “draconian” (“I don’t know how to do anything else than bring it to a screeching, screeching halt,” he said), Biden’s plan cut $239 billion from the deficit over three years, almost $100 billion more than even Reagan’s proposal, and proposed doing it partly by eliminating scheduled increases for Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. It would, he said, “shock the living devil out of everyone in the US Senate.”
Biden indulged in doomsday predictions to sell the measure, warning that letting deficits go untamed would “allow t’Welp, Glad That’s Settled:’ Global Poll Finds Majority Believe Capitalism More Harmful Than Goodhe economy to come crashing down” and lead to “an economic and political crisis of extraordinary proportions” within twelve to eighteen months. As bemused commentators would note decades later, it was all straight from the playbook of Tea Party darling Paul Ryan, the Ayn Rand-worshiping congressman from Wisconsin who was bent on taking a meat cleaver to Medicare and Social Security. When Biden ran directly against Ryan for vice president in 2012, he warned voters Ryan was a threat to their hard-earned entitlements.
Though the freeze failed, it was only the beginning. Biden’s ongoing distaste for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution didn’t stop him from introducing a similar amendment in 1984, this one tying spending to the growth of gross national product and inflation, which he referred to as a “pay-as-you-go” measure. Calling it a “much more realistic approach,” he proudly boasted that he had “literally plagiarized” it from Pete du Pont, a Republican. Later that year, Biden backed the line-item veto — an anti-spending measure cherished by Reagan and the conservative movement — and another budget measure, this one successful, requiring Congress to vote on freezing the budget for one year before it could raise the debt ceiling. His campaign then ran radio ads claiming that “cutting the deficit is more important than party differences.”
Biden’s antipathy to government spending and deficits found its most radical expression in the form of the balanced budget constitutional amendment, which he had viewed as laughable and dangerous in previous decades. But with the advent of the 1990s, he now warmed up to it.
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“See, they take scissors, and cut up the tape into pieces, and reorder them to suit their scheme to make me look bad.” :sarcasm: (for now)
January 21, 2020 at 8:03 PM #254021RealityReduxParticipant
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I’m almost a little bit surprised that Warren backed Bernie in this dustup with Biden over Social Security since she refused to shake Bernie’s hand in the very recent Democratic Debate.
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren also got in on the action, backing Sanders.
“Bernie Sanders and I established the ‘Expand Social Security Caucus’ in the Senate,” Warren told Politico on Sunday outside a candidate forum in Iowa. “As a senator, Joe Biden had a very different position on Social Security, and I think everyone’s records on Social Security are important in this election.”
Bernie puts forward his plan to keep Social Security around for 52 years with extra payouts to those who have worked and living in poverty. One would think that his plan would pull many voters 40-65 and older over to support him for president but I’m not holding my breath.
Sanders advocates for expanding benefits and ensuring that every worker is paid what they are owed for the next 52 years. He would also lift benefits for seniors with incomes of $16,000 or less by $1,300 a year.
The plan aims to increase minimum benefits for low-income workers and bump up the cost-of-living adjustment by creating and tying it to a Consumer Price Index for the elderly.
To pay for his plan, Sanders would raise maximum taxable earnings to $250,000. As of 2020, the cap is $137,700.
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