spud demon (714 posts)May 19, 2017 at 6:50 am
Biden disses Clinton: ‘I never thought she was a great candidate. I thought I wa
“I never thought she was a great candidate,” Biden said, according to reports. “I thought I was a great candidate.”
Biden clarified, according to CNN, that “Hillary would have been a really good president.” But that isn’t likely to make Clinton supporters feel much better.
Biden isn’t the first leading Democratic figure with possible designs on 2020 to apparently slight Clinton. Clinton’s 2016 primary foe, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), has repeatedly offered some version of this quote: “It wasn’t that Donald Trump won the election; it was that the Democratic Party that lost the election.”
Biden is mainstream, but he’s smart and reasonable. If he won the 2020 primary and selected a progressive running mate such as Warren, Sanders or Gabbard, I would probably vote for him.Whamzees, ctsnowman, Grey and 8 othersDoctorJ, snot, Herman4747, Enthusiast, RufusTFirefly, xynthee, frylock, roguevalley like thisCubs, Google+, Weird Al, BMW
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djean111 (3491 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:00 am
1. Biden is talking about winning the election. Not policy.
He is a DINO corporatist, through and through. Wasting a good liberal as his running mate, to be shunted aside if he won, would have been a shame. Luckily, this still-bad choice did not happen. But it tells me the DNC ain’t gonna change. I am proceeding accordingly with my votes. I won’t vote for a DINO in 2020, I don’t care who else is on that ticket.You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie? Um, nope.
farleftlib (1339 posts) (Reply to djean111 - post #1) May 19, 2017 at 7:42 am
6. I couldn't agree more
I’ll never forget the farce that was the bankruptcy bill, written by the credit card companies, letting them get away with things the mafia would blush to do. I firmly believe he had aspirations and was told to stand down because it was Her turn. I’ll believe that to my dying day. And the medal of honor Obama pinned on his chest last year was his reward for being a good boy and letting Clinton have the Dem field to herself (or so she thought).Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. Margaret Mead
cascadiance (1788 posts) (Reply to farleftlib - post #6) May 19, 2017 at 9:20 am
11. The bankruptcy bill was horrible for young people especially!
When it updated bankruptcy law to not allow students with huge student debt to declare bankruptcy on this debt! That ALONE would have lost and WILL LOSE so many students’ votes in 2016 and in 2020 as well, with student debt getting worse than credit card debt now. College costs are what is screwing this generation that even many like myself hadn’t had to deal with when I graduated after Reagan took office. It is this imbalance that exacerbates the guest worker outsourcing (INsourcing) crisis when those guest workers that come here primarily for graduate degrees to get in to another chain of guest worker visas have huge lower overall costs of education than any young Americans that have tried to get undergraduate and graduate degrees in order to compete for jobs today.
We need a candidate in 2020 that will find ways to roll back college and consumer debt instead of increase its liabilities for American citizens, and who works to help promote labor power globally in the overall effort to reverse the redistribution of wealth and income to the upper elites that we’ve suffered through the last few decades since Reagan’s time. We will need such a candidate to win in 2020 and avoid another maverick Trump-like liar winning instead again. Clinton and Biden NEED NOT APPLY! They are the OPPOSITE of what we need!Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!
Enthusiast (7191 posts) (Reply to cascadiance - post #11) May 19, 2017 at 9:50 am
15. Plus one! They are the OPPOSITE of what we need!"The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide." Frank Church
Enthusiast (7191 posts) (Reply to djean111 - post #1) May 19, 2017 at 9:46 am
13. No more DINOs!
cui bono (1046 posts) (Reply to djean111 - post #1) May 19, 2017 at 11:25 am
18. This last primary season was really a tipping point since the DNC showed
how corrupt they are and how far they will go to thwart the people’s agenda.
So many people will not vote for them unless they completely change their tune which they’ve shown is more than highly unlikely. Where is our third party? The time is ripe. With 46% of the people unaffiliated with a political party and many Dems who would join we need it now.The DNC can try to squash us but we'll just come back stronger.
Lizzie Poppet (430 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:01 am
2. Jeez, Joe…talk about setting a low bar!
I mean…damn near any candidate in the Democratic primaries would have been a better choice. Instead, the DNC installed possibly the only candidate actually capable of losing to Donald Fucking Trump.
And we all see the result…
MistaP (4423 posts) (Reply to Lizzie Poppet - post #2) May 19, 2017 at 12:18 pm
20. they installed Trump too! "pied piper" and all that
vvvvvvvhttp://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
Satan (1694 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:12 am
3. Biden probably would have been a better candidate than Hillary in 2016
…he has – at least – the image of being the “working class guy from Scranton who still takes the train to work” , though admittedly that image conflicts with all he did to enable the predatory credit card industry.
So in a year when populism was the winning message, I definitely see Biden being able to have a Kobach-proof win over Herr Cheeto.
Strictly by the numbers though, he’s a two time loser as a Presidential candidate, same as Herself. And in the tank with many of the same corrupt interests. Clarence Thomas?? Hard to forget your role in that one, Joe.Fuck the DLC, Third Way, and Emily's List. They have proven themselves to be a threat to all life on Earth.
spud demon (714 posts) (Reply to Satan - post #3) May 19, 2017 at 7:29 am
5. Ooh, I forgot about Anita Hill, thanks.Cubs, Google+, Weird Al, BMW
Cleita (1967 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:23 am
4. If he thinks Hillary would have been a really good President, then I
know whom he plays ball for and it isn’t the 99%. I hope he fades out with the rest of the DINOS, including Hillary in the near future. Why don’t the establishment Dems get it, that President Trump is a referendum on all would be DINO candidates and Washington insiders? Their day is done.
Enthusiast (7191 posts) (Reply to Cleita - post #4) May 19, 2017 at 9:47 am
14. Plus one!
Peace Patriot (1593 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:46 am
7. There was only one FOR-SURE candidate to demolish Trump in 2016: Bernie!
Bernie Sanders was demolishing Trump in ALL POLLS from January to June 2016! In the same polls, Hillary could barely tie Trump and LOST TO Trump in some of them.
The Democratic Party leaders who cheated Sanders out of the nomination, in every way imaginable, need to be put into stockades so we can throw rotten fruit at them. This includes the rotten-to-the-core “super-delegates,” virtually all Democratic elected officials, the DNC which violated its own charter, Hillary and her corrupt political machine and all of her rotten-to-the-core Overlord/Deep State donors and sponsors.
They need to be pilloried. They need to be tossed. Some of them need to prosecuted. What a bunch of total assholes!
And one other thing: These were the same bastards who brought us private, corporate, ‘TRADE SECRET’ code vote counting. Yup, it was the Democrats!
So, if the same people who cheated Trump into White House had cheated Bernie out of the White House, guess whose fault that would have been? The leaders of the party that I was a member of for 50+ years! The Democratic Party!
Caveat: Bernie would have won, hands down, in a honest election system. But we don’t have such a thing. So we might’ve gotten Trump anyway. IN EITHER CASE, the fault lies with the Democratic Party leaders and their collusion with the Deep State, which is currently undergoing an internal war.
FanBoy (7740 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 7:48 am
SandersDem (588 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 8:05 am
9. I used to be
a huge Biden supporter simply based on how stand up I thought the guy was when he took responsibility for the plagiarized speech in his first primary bid for President. He has done some truly good things through the years and some that I just wanted to grab him by the neck and shake the shit out of him while screaming, “Fuck Joe, what the hell were you thinking?”
Here is the most telling thing now about his statement: He said it while speaking at a Hedge Fund Conference. That should pretty much tell you everything you should know, that he sold out along with Obama in 2012 to Wall Street (if not before). At the root of it all, is this obscene need for money to fund political activities and so many simply seem to sell out so they can take the easy way out.
Bernie showed a path way to working around being that beholden to big donor interests, but it comes with a price tag: you have to be an honest, consistent candidate that actually works to promote the interests of the majority of the people and not the top few %.
I think Biden was probably correct that he would have been a better candidate than Her, but that is a VERY low bar as not only was she one of the worst candidates in American history, I believe her to be corrupt and a wind shifter when it becomes convenient to do so. I also see her as extremely damaging to liberal causes, sucking the air and money out of the process when she decides she is joining the resistance. News flash Hillary, you are a part of what we are resisting, YOU CAN’T JOIN by definition.
In my view, Biden has disqualified himself and as a newly Independent voter, I do not see myself supporting him in the future. My ballot choices here are going to be very thin and I will not vote for candidates by choosing the least objectionable of the choices before me. I have a litmus test now and I intend to apply it.
Last election, facing the prospect of Trump, would I have voted for Biden had he been the choice? Probably. Would Biden have won? Maybe, especially if he had put Bernie on his ticket which I think he would have done. In 2020? I don’t think so. I hope Bernie runs again despite his age. If not Bernie, I will only vote for a candidate with a truly progressive, consistent record and not one who has been lining up actions that may be politically expedient for a 2020 campaign, there is going to have to be a record of action and proof before I invest money in anybody. I came very close to maxing out for Bernie, with the right person running in 2020, I will do the same. That won’t be Biden.
Haikugal (4997 posts) (Reply to SandersDem - post #9) May 19, 2017 at 10:36 am
16. Excellent post, thank you!Be the bird..... Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
Bernice Ta (315 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 8:57 am
10. Oh, ha ha ha. gasp gasp. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Tell that tale somewhere else, Unkie Joe. It don’t sell out in the real world.
RufusTFirefly (926 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 9:42 am
12. Biden may have been a better candidate, but…
… as a politician, policy maker, and Wall Street water-carrier, he’s every bit as bad as Lady Klynton Kissinger-Sachs. Maybe even worse.
Of course, both saying he’s a better candidate and a worse politician are setting the bar pathetically low.
Herman4747 (1169 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 10:47 am
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RealityCheck (602 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 1:07 pm
21. ‘I never thought she was a great candidate'
and I never got any impression about what he claimed to have meant during the election either.
DoctorJ (431 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 2:58 pm
22. Anyone would have been a better candidate than Clinton
She is the most reviled politician in the US.The ideal CNN story is a baby down a well, while the ideal Fox story is probably a baby thrown down a well by a Muslim terrorist or an ACORN activist. - Matt Taibbi, "Insane Clown President"
pokercat (500 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 6:58 pm
23. Please Biden, just retire, go back to
Delaware and live out your life quietly. Take Hillary with you if you want to serve your country. The two of you could plot how you could screw with the rest of us by kowtowing to the big banks and wall street. Just retire and dream about what could have been, just dream don’t take any action please.There isn't a problem that can't be solved by simply lowering your standards. I get more cynical everyday but I just can't keep up.
MrMickeysMom (1258 posts) (Reply to original post) May 19, 2017 at 8:15 pm
24. Fuck Biden…
He’d just as soon try to become Obama 2.0 and plagiarize any meaningful vision. He has none.
We need an alternative party to address issues BECAUSE of the usual pieces of furniture decorating DLC Democrats.
Green Dog Dem (2865 posts) (Reply to original post) May 20, 2017 at 11:18 am
25. So why didn't you run, Joe?
Afraid of the big bad Hillbots?Aloha! KamaAina in the hale (house).
Piperay (480 posts) (Reply to original post) May 20, 2017 at 4:55 pm
Whamzees (454 posts) (Reply to original post) May 21, 2017 at 4:37 pm