Biden passes the buck in his COVID-19 plan.

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      jbnw
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      Three-quarters of a year after Biden because President, he has a COVID-19 plan. It’s on the White House web site at https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/ .

      The issue? Biden’s passing the buck to companies – again. In Oregon, it was up to companies to determine how to check if a mask was required for the vaccinated; here, it’s nationwide if you want to work.

      The problem? There’s no way to know if a person is vaccinated. There’s no vaccine passport. There are few state and no Federal registries – the CDC says it doesn’t track vaccination status. So we’ll depend on those little cardboard CDC “reminder” cards – if you’re lucky enough to have kept yours, and haven’t lost it, as they are not easily replaced.

      But it’s businesses who have to check, and will face major fines if they don’t enforce it, for a “proof” of vaccination that’s not officially recorded.

      I suspect that a lawsuit simply on the grounds that proof of vaccination isn’t available would win. I know I’m vaccinated – but I can’t prove it. And I can’t prove it to businesses either – but they will be forced to accept those reminder cards as proof as the Biden administration never planned for people have to show proof of vaccination. What else is there??

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      David the Gnome
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      Or pharmacy, or wherever you got the shot.  Don’t they have some record of it?

      • #444940
        jbnw
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        Local fire department, for me.

        And there have been forum discussions here of others who cannot obtain records, if they exist – you’re sent in circles.

        Early in the year it was more important to get the vaccination – now the records are being considered important as well.

        The CDC says explicitly at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html :

        CDC does not maintain vaccination records or determine how vaccination records are used, and CDC does not provide the CDC-labeled, white COVID-19 vaccination record card to people. These cards are distributed to vaccination providers by state and local health departments. Please contact your state or local health department if you have additional questions about vaccination cards or vaccination records.

        So Biden is mandating at the national level information that is not maintained at the national level. Or maybe not even available at the state or local level.

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      HassleCat
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      Did Biden order a special exemption from HIPPA laws? If not, an employer cannot demand employee medical information. The cop unions will have fun with this one. Employees will be on the honor system, I guess.

      • #444943
        Bernie Boomer
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        The state governments apparently can get away with it (in Nevada, the higher ed system is scraping the state vaccine database for employee records. I’m majorly pissed off about it, but my choice is a weekly covid test).

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      MackMarkstein
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      that the vaxes don’t prevent transmission of the disease. A vaxed person can pass it to an unvaxed. I don’t know for sure the viral load that a vaxed-but-infected person has, compared to an unvaxed-and-infected. As with almost all other “facts” on these topics, I’ve seen claims either way: I have seen that vaxed, breakthrough people have a higher viral load they are exhaling.
      The premise of Biden’s gambit (and perhaps it has a large element of distraction as did every Trump program) is flawed and transparently incorrect. He claims he is trying to, in the workplace, protect the vaxed from the unvaxed–The solution to that incorrect problem of course is to get everybody vaxed.

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        djean111
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        I was gonna mention that, but then I thought – hey, why bother, reading comprehension is evidently a bit lacking, so why bother.  Yup, the vaxxed  contract Covid and pass on Covid, evidently just less severe symptoms.  This makes me wonder why all the nastiness.  Covid was never going to be “stamped out”, IMO, however it was designed made sure it would keep evolving.  The vaccines are not really vaccines, and early treatment is harshly frowned upon.  Maybe some people are just flexing their nastiness muscles in preparation for VFTFB season or something.  But yeah, the vaxxed are just as likely to get Covid from each other.  IMO, etc.   Gotta say the outraged Dems seem just as mean as the MAGAs.  Neither side a club I would join.  I will just keep wearing a mask and keep away from pretty much everybody.  Especially folks without masks; I understand the vaxxed carry higher viral loads.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

        • #444954
          HassleCat
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          Vaccinated people who have Covid-19 carry higher viral loads? I have seen no evidence for that assertion. We know vaccinated people who get the virus do not get as sick, so that would suggest (SUGGEST) they have lower viral loads, but it probably doesn’t matter one way or the other. Vaxxed people who get the virus generally have less severe symptoms and are less likely to require hospitalization. That means they can (1) stay home and not infect others and (2) not overload the care system. On the flip side, vaxxed people cannot afford to be smug and run around without being careful.

      • #444951
        jbnw
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        and has been discussed a lot here.

        It’s obviously irrelevant to Biden, or his handlers, decision.

        But I never see a discussion elsewhere that you can’t demonstrate vaccination in the US.

        My vaccination card? I had to put my name on it – otherwise it was just a card with hand-written dates and a rubber stamp on it.

    • #444967
      MackMarkstein
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      And probably more and more fake vax proof as there’s more motivation for that.
      The main topic going around in my head, post-Biden “prong” speech is why he and his Covid advisors are trying to get everyone vaxed, …since the reasons don’t matter or they would have tried harder to come up with reasons that make sense.

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