Biden vows to bring back Obamacare’s individual mandate penalty for not having insurance

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    • #369447
      JonLP
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      Joe Biden, former vice president and 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful, said Friday he would bring back the individual mandate, the penalty for not having health insurance, which was a pillar of the Affordable Care Act.

      “Yes, I’d bring back the individual mandate,” Biden said in an interview on CNN. The individual mandate would be popular now, “compared to what’s being offered,” he added.

      Biden played an integral part in crafting the ACA, commonly known as Obamacare. However, President Donald Trump eliminated the individual mandate in 2017 by signing the Republican tax bill, effective the 2019 tax year.

      Nearly all of the Democratic presidential hopefuls support some kind of government health-care plan. While he does not support of “Medicare for All,” Biden said people should have the option to buy into Medicare if they want it.

      https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/07/05/joe-biden-vows-to-bring-back-obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty.html?__twitter_impression=true

       

      What is he doing? We don’t need a mandate.

    • #369450
      djean111
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      He is nothing but a corporate tart at this point.  Raddled, with makeup running down his face in driblets.

       

    • #369454
      Pam2
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      ..it was never popular. Guess he’s trying to alienate more voters.

       

      • #369461
        Segami
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        We have entered the election stretch-drive with 2 ½ weeks left to go and Joe Biden is struggling with gaffe-withdrawal-symptoms, suppressing an urge to fuck it up at the last moment………What a useless, plastic, do-nothing POS politician…….. Somebody better remind Joe and his bloated head that people are NOT voting for him, they’re voting to remove Trump from office!!…….Joe would have been wiped out in double-digits if  Trump (applied some restraint and strategy) to promptly responded to the COVID epidemic, avoided hurling personal attacks against Dems & Republicans and restrained himself from posting asinine Tweets……..Joey is lucky that Trump is a savvier moron than him!

         

        Medicare For All | The Gold Standard Health Care Plan

    • #369455
      Jim Lane
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      The GOP, unsuccessful in the attempt to repeal the ACA by vote of the people’s elected representatives, has gone to court, hoping to achieve the same result by judicial activism (although of course they don’t call it that).

      The legal fig leaf for causing millions of people to lose their health care is that the ACA was previously upheld as an exercise of Congress’s power of taxation.  With no mandate, the right-wingers argue, the law can’t be defended as a tax and is unconstitutional.

      A mandate with a penalty of one dollar for noncompliance might turn out to make the difference.  No, it won’t make the difference between the ACA and Medicare for All, the latter not being on the table anytime soon regardless of who wins, but there is a difference between the Democrats’ ACA and the Republicans’ “repeal and replace except we don’t actually have a replacement so it amounts to repeal and go fuck yourselves.”  The difference between those two approaches is that, for millions of people, the ACA means more actual health care and fewer bankruptcies.

    • #369456
      JonLP
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      I just never felt the mandate was ever necessary.

      Republicans Killed the Obamacare Mandate. New Data Shows It Didn’t Really Matter.

      Many experts now view the individual mandate as a policy that did little to increase health coverage — but did a lot to invite political backlash.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/upshot/obamacare-mandate-republicans.amp.html

       

      The mandate is the one thing that made the ACA unpopular. It was the #1 complaint I heard in my home state. If this is some maneuver to make sure it isn’t overturned in the courts well I will concede you probably know the law better than I do.

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      jerry611
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    • #369466
      gordyfl
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      I think if the Public Option did pass it would be used by those who can afford it, and by those with pre-existing conditions who have not much choice but to buy-in to the Public Option.

      This would relieve employers and the insurance companies of the having to foot the bill for those with pre-existing conditions.

      Most healthy employees would roll the dice and stay with employer funded healthcare plan with the high out-of-pocket expenses. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people with Biden’s plan.

    • #369469
      jbnw
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      You’re forced to either buy a healthcare plan, or if you can’t afford that, pay a penalty for not being able to pay the other penalty requirement.

    • #369541
      doh1304
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      many, maybe most, doctors and hospitals won’t take medicare patients. A “public option” will be a death warrant.

    • #369543
      Satan
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      …is a mandatory tax to a government agency administering Medicare for All. A mandatory tax to a private corporation should NEVER be allowed.

      Ironically, by insisting on a corporate insurance mandate, these idiots helped illustrate exactly WHY this corrupt system needs to be replaced once and for all.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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      David the Gnome
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      That was actually the most unpopular part of the ACA.  Paying for “access” to healthcare.  I can’t say I’m surprised though.  While Bernie wanted everyone to be covered, Joe wants everyone to pay for the privilege of paying for both health insurance and (paying more) healthcare.

      It is not reasonable to expect everyone to buy into insurance plans.  Many cannot afford it – and will not be covered by Medicaid or Medicare either.  Of those that can pay for it, a whole lot are going to have high deductibles.

      Someone ought to block that bull shit, just like Joe vowed to block something that would help people.  Medicare for all.

       

    • #369570
      Ohio Barbarian
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      That’s it. Obamacare is too expensive for tens of millions of people, and causes a financial hardship for tens of millions of more who “can” afford it. For the former, they lose their tax refunds. For the latter, they enrich health insurance corporations who use that money to bribe Democrats and Republicans alike and to overpay their CEOs.

      Getting rid of the mandate was one of the best things that Trump did.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      David the Gnome
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      @ohiobarbarian

      The more Joe goes on about shit like this, the more I wonder why I ever voted for democrats like him and Obama.  Basically, they borrowed from what Romney did in Massachusetts.  So, instead of ditching completely unnecessary middle people (insurance companies) they want us to pay more.

      That is what it amounts to for everyone not within specific income brackets.

    • #369604
      GZeusH
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      and has bought them out of their supply of middle-class screws.  Comes Inauguration Day, prepare for a middle-class screwing like you ain’t never seen!

    • #369659
      MizzGrizz
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      ..was one of the worst things about Obamacare.

    • #369661
      RufusTFirefly
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      Like the healthcare itself, the rule should be “everybody in, nobody out.”

      It should be a part of the taxes we all pay.

      But it should finance a government single-payer plan, not corporate socialism for rapacious private insurance companies.


      @doh1304

      You are absolutely correct. A public option would probably be the worst of all scenarios. It would create a two-tiered “haves and have nots” system, where the private insurers would handle all the healthy folks and a deliberately underfunded public insurance would buckle under the weight of the unhealthy patients. Neoliberals and the rest of the right would use its failure to “prove” that government programs are inferior to private ones.


      @satan

      You’re absolutely right. “A mandatory tax to a private corporation should NEVER be allowed.” Democrats have to twist themselves into pretzels in order to support such an undemocratic mandate.

    • #369663
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @rufustfirefly If they did, they wouldn’t have stolen the nomination from Sanders twice in a row, and they wouldn’t be going to great lengths to keep the Greens off the ballot.

      Democrats, in practice, enforce oligarchy. All of them who cooperate with the party leadership are complicit in this. Not that the Republicans are any better, of course.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #369687
      sadoldgirl
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      May be I am a bit confused about all of this. Is there any

      believable statistic showing how much the “middleman”

      profits from his “service’? I don’t just mean the CEOs,

      but the insurance companies  themselves. I know that

      they have unwritten agreements about which ones are

      available in which region or state. That also will reduce

      certain options in poorer districts. Still, it would be nice

      to find out the final profit over expenses they show.

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