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    • #419374
      jbnw
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      This is an interesting twist on “He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union” – it will be interesting to see who he invited and the response from other members of Congress.

      Only invited members of Congress will be allowed to attend President Biden’s address to a Joint Session of Congress on Wednesday, and the event “will be invitation-only for a limited number of members of Congress,” according to a memo from acting House Sergeant at Arms Timothy Blodgett.

      Any members who have not received an invite from their congressional leadership “will not be permitted in the Capitol after 5 p.m.,” according to the memo obtained by CBS News.

      https://wtop.com/dc/2021/04/bidens-first-address-to-congress-is-invite-only/

    • #419375
      djean111
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      In the hilariously monikered “cradle of liberty”.  Bwahahaha!  Not something I ever watch anyway, bunch of bullshit no matter who is yammering, but boy, looks like Biden will pretty soon only be available to Harris and some medical staff.  Starting to remind me of that wonderful (IMO) movie Dave, where the prez has had a stroke and is kept all secretly sedated/in a coma in the basement.  But there is no honest Dave Kovic or Good First Lady waiting in the wings to do some good.

      Guess they don’t want to chance a repeat of a harpy refusing to shake hands, making faces,  and then tearing up a copy of the speech on camera!  Oh, wait.  That was a Democrat.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      • #420498
        cal22
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        When I first read that the number of guests was only 200, I was also wondering why.  Then came Wednesday night, and I saw how carefully the invitees were being placed at a distance from each other, and all of them were wearing masks, I understood.  The House Chamber can accommodate 1600+ people.  The danger of spreading COVID-19 with a full house in that indoor space could be high, indeed.  And  this has to be avoided at all costs.

        none yet

    • #419382
      NV Wino
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      Not that he will have anything important to say, but what a dick.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
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    • #419431
      soryang
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      on what basis will individual members of Congress be excluded from attendance? I don’t think legally there can be one. every member has a right to be there.

    • #419438
      surrealAmerican
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      … they would provide invitations to all their representatives.

      I’m guessing that won’t happen.

    • #419446
      jbnw
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      There’s this:

      https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0ZKcGFCN/house-republicans-ask-pelosi-to-reschedule-bidens-address-to-congress?s=oldSite&ss=a99

      A group of GOP lawmakers on Monday asked Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to reschedule President Biden’s address to Congress set for next week to a time when the House is in session.

      They further called on Pelosi to extend invitations to all members of Congress, instead of limiting it to a smaller number due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

      “Scheduling this address for a day when the House is not in session and prohibiting Members of Congress from attending would be unprecedented and undermine the very spirit of our representative, constitutional Republic,” GOP Reps. Claudia Tenney (N.Y.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Randy Weber (Texas), Russ Fulcher (Idaho), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Dan Bishop (N.C.), Madison Cawthorn (N.C.), Greg Steube (Fla.) and Van Taylor (Texas) wrote in a letter to Pelosi.

      Personally, I’d go stand on the Capitol steps. If it’s for coronavirus, no members should be invited rather than a select few – especially considering that both houses are open.

    • #419455
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Louie Gohmert (Texas)

      are from the far right.  Do the rest of the list fit the same description?

      Whether or not they are, I cant think of any other sotu that was by invitation only & it sure does seem like it’s not right

      why not do zoom or something?

      • #419464
        jbnw
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        @coldmountaintrail Invite everyone, or invite no one. And they could be far right, but they’re still elected members of Congress.

      • #420018
        Satan
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        And she did not look happy when Joe mentioned gun violence. She didn’t try to shoot him, so maybe she had to go through the metal detector for once.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #419476
      Jim Lane
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      Except that, back here in the real world, any member of Congress, and indeed anyone with an internet connection, can watch the speech live on the PBS website: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-president-joe-bidens-first-joint-address-to-congress

      For those without good internet, I think it will also be carried on broadcast television and radio.

      The invitation-only business is for the privilege of being physically present in the same room as the President and a bunch of other politicians. For my part, I’d consider it a greater privilege to be able to watch the speech while lounging at home in my underwear, eating popcorn and not worrying about aerosolized virus. (Even if all the Republicans can be browbeaten into wearing masks, the masks are helpful but not perfect.)


      @coldmountaintrail
      writes, “I cant think of any other sotu that was by invitation only….” This is not a State of the Union address. Biden is following custom: A new President typically addresses Congress early in his term but does not give a State of the Union address until the year following the inauguration. For example, Trump gave his first SOTU address in January 2018 (link).

      This will not be a genuine scandal unless, when giving the speech, Biden wears a tan suit.

      • #419673
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        I’m just glad I am free to totally ignore this travesty of a spectacle by this travesty of a President in front of this travesty of a Congress.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #419481
      sadoldgirl
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      @jimlane:

      I love the steady excuses you find to support this administration.

      So “Congress” does not mean all of the elected officials in congress?

      It is now a privilege  by presidential permission to attend his speech

      to “Congress”? I don’t care whether he wears a swim suit or PJs.

      However, I find it very indicative of this administration to become

      that exclusive; a clear sign of “uniting the country”, indeed.

      • #419482
        Jim Lane
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        @sadoldgirl

        Biden proposes a tax plan that increases the corporate tax rate, enacts a minimum tax on profitable corporations that use accounting tricks to report no taxable income, shifts incentives from fossil fuels to clean energy, etc. (details here) On JPR, it gets dismissed as a nothingburger (link).

        Then some Republicans squawk about the logistics of a presidential speech during a pandemic, and JPR is all on board. This is the real nothingburger, but it can be spun as a basis for some sort of half-assed criticism of Joe Biden, who is Designated Evil, so of course it passes the JPR test.

        This board has become a parody of itself.

        • #419491
          djean111
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          Biden also proposed that Social Security be increased by $200 a month during the pandemic.  Bwahahaha!  That’s a good one!  So is proposing to cancel M4A if it got past Pelosi and landed on his desk.   We believe that one, so hey!  that’s good, amiright?

          Also, a “parody” of this board would be if the board turned into an SV clone, slobbering noisily at every pandering proposal and endorsement of things that are not going to happen, and blaming the bad old meanie GOP when proposals and endorsements don’t actually get enacted.  Because of the blue dog designated hitters or whatever.

          JPR has never been a Democratic Party-based or supporting board.  JPR was started in protest at what the Democratic Party has become.  Is it really your hilarious mission to try and sneer/steer JPR into a Biden/Democratic Party fawning and serving website?  That would show a basic lack of critical thinking or perhaps even basic cognitive skills.  And participating on a board you evidently hold in contempt seems kind of sad, really.  Perhaps your time would be better spent watching Rachel Maddow.  That would be your “real world”. Ugh.

          Proposals and promises do not make even the thinnest of gruels, so I don’t think many at JPR are going to be in that “thank you sir, may I have another” camp.  Besides, what anyone “thinks” is just opinion expressed; if it bothers you that all of us are not “correct thinkers” according to your way of thinking, then perhaps accept that and move on.  Biden and the Democratic Party don’t give a flying fuck what any of us think, you know.  They get their money elsewhere.


          @sadoldgirl
          – I agree. And it honestly gets entertaining after a while.  Sort of has congealed into broadsides of what are supposed to be, I assume, cutting insults.

           

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        • #419680
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          Joe Biden has already broken more campaign promises more quickly than any President in history. No mean feat, that. After all, Bill Clinton was one of his predecessors. Where’s my 2K, Democrat? That one, that was supposed to “fly out the door immediately(Joe Biden’s words, not mine) was broken within a week. The raise in the minimum wage, given as a substantive concession to one Bernie Sanders, is now dead. The concentration camps refugee children are in are now called “detention centers” by the same people who lambasted Trump for the practice, which were started by your sainted Barack Obama. I still remember the late night Frontline on that one.

          And that’s just a few of the broken promises. Now people on this site are skeptical of Biden’s promises to raise corporate taxes, and you mock them. Maybe he will. He does appear to be serious about getting regular Army and Air Force people out of Afghanistan, though he’s going to leave tens of thousands of mercenaries in place there. I’ll take it as an improvement if he does actually get them out and give credit where credit is due, but I won’t forget, like your SV buddies, that all those mercenaries are still there.

          Joe Biden believes in the merger of corporate and government power, Mussolini’s classic definition of a Fascist. His entire political career has been directed to this end, and there is absolutely no reason to believe he is going to be some kind of new FDR. If he raises corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy back to pre-Trump levels, that’s fine—not nearly enough, but at least a move in the right direction—and I’ll be happy to give him credit for whatever that’s worth.

          Just like I give Mussolini credit for refusing to deport Italy’s Jews to the concentration camps. But Mussolini was still a Fascist. So is Joe Biden. You can reject that and continue to live in some Vote Blue No Matter Who fantasy world, but that doesn’t change what Biden  than Mussolini’s one act of humanity changed him.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #419485
      3fingerbrown
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      They should have his top 200 donors invited instead. That would be more honest.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #419488
      soryang
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    • #419497
      MizzGrizz
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      I wouldn’t go to his lousy speech if I were invited.

      And I’m sure as heck not going to watch it.

    • #419507
      Babel 17
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      “Russia bad!”

    • #419622
      doh1304
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      being invited is a meaningless status coup. If the address is not broadcast or broadcast edited then it is an attempt to cover Biden’s mental deterioration, but the attempt is an admission. Answer coming and unavoidable.

    • #419697
      David the Gnome
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      I see that you are still carrying water for the Democrat party.  That’s great and all – but I wonder if you are familiar with the last several decades of policy and foreign policy?

      The things you say suggest to me that you are not – or you might realize why many of us find Biden’s promises to be… dubious propositions.

      Or you could just be ignoring everything you do not wish to acknowledge.  I find that common among modern democrats – as common as the denial the right lives in.

      Anyone who thinks pulling active military out of Afghanistan is actually ending a war is not paying attention to the reality.  They are attempting to remove any threat of accountability for what happens there.

      Leaving tens of thousands of mercenaries is not a peaceful solution.  It is leaving scum who will probably be loyal to the highest bidder, while removing the actual soldiers.

      It is all the rage these days, you know, “private military contractors”.

      Raising taxes on the rich and corporations?  So how much will the likes of, say, Amazon, Tesla, Musk or Bezos actually pay?

      Meanwhile, those of us among the forgotten are perhaps just a bit untrusting.  Two thousand dollar checks flying out the door, resolving the immigrant situation, bringing back diplomacy and so on.

      Oh, we are grateful for the 1400 dollar checks.  Especially people like me who live on 793 a month in SSI.  Say, didn’t Biden promise to do something about that?

      When it comes right down to it, it is mostly bull shit.  “Change you can believe in!”, “Transparency in government!”, “2k will fly out the door!”…. Not so different reality, from “40 acres and a mule!”, or, dare I say it?  “Make America great again!”

      A corrupt politician from a corrupt family.  Give him credit as you like – but as with his friends and enemies in congress, he is little more than a criminal pretending to govern a Nation.

      Harris now, and those hundreds of millions she and her husband have, now there’s power.  Hope and change and so on.

      Really, it is about PR forvthe most part.  Time to realize that PR is mostly bull shit.

    • #419947
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      Don’t you know that these things must be done D E L I C A T E L Y … ???
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    • #419987
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      hmmm. If only there were some way to watch stuff without being physically present…

      Bit of a waste of energy to get all worked up over this, imo.

       

       

    • #420214
      Jim Lane
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      @ohiobarbarian @sadoldgirl @djean111 @babel17 @davidthegnome

      What I actually wrote, summarized: I compared two events – the presentation of a Biden proposal on taxes, running 17 pages on the Treasury website (link https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/MadeInAmericaTaxPlan_Report.pdf ), and the seating arrangements for a speech to be given in midst of a global pandemic. I opined that the tax proposal is the more important of the two.

      It is of course correct to say that the Biden proposal, by itself, does not change the Internal Revenue Code. The seating arrangements also effect no such change. The difference is that the proposal is a first step, indeed a necessary one. If Jill Stein or Howie Hawkins or Bernie Sanders were President, they could not make such changes by executive order. They could, however, begin the process by spelling out a specific plan.

      As for the big “issue” of the seating arrangements, the speech is over so we can replace speculation with knowledge:
      * No one was censored.
      * No one was prevented from watching the speech live.
      * The audience was not limited to trained seals; such anti-Biden luminaries as Ted Cruz and Marjorie Taylor Greene were among the attendees.

      None of my critics have given the slightest reason to believe that the seating arrangements are more important than the tax proposal.

      What’s even more obvious is that they haven’t even tried. There has been no serious discussion of the point. What happened instead was pretty much standard-issue JPR: There was a criticism of Biden; someone disagreed with the criticism; Biden is Designated Evil, therefore a defense of him against any criticism is unacceptable, is in fact the same as defending him against all criticisms.

      So we see the usual knee-jerk reactions – $2,000 checks, Afghanistan, etc., etc.

      I still remember a comparable episode on DU. Susan Sarandon has an interest in a chain of table tennis parlors, called Spin. (I’ve been to the one in Manhattan, BRW.  Nice place.)  Unsurprisingly, the Spin facilities, in addition to renting out table time, sell paddles and other table tennis gear. Someone on DU accused Sarandon of profiting from child labor in the manufacture of these goods. I pointed out that there was absolutely no evidence for this smear.

      On DU, as on JPR, some people (different people) are Designated Evil. Sarandon had endorsed Jill Stein over Hillary Clinton, therefore Sarandon was Designated Evil, therefore any defense of her against a particular criticism constituted an affront to all good people. The rest of the thread was more attacks on Sarandon. No one could defend the initial criticism, because it was ludicrous, but they could and did let their knees jerk unrestrainedly, filling the thread with more denunciations of Sarandon.

      That thread and this one exemplify the problem of binary thinking, which tends to dominate boards that are low on ideological diversity. I sarcastically use the phrase “Designated Evil” to point this out. When binary thinking takes over, there is no room for nuance.  Some Clinton supporters are unable to concede a rag of merit to Susan Sarandon.  Some people who oppose Biden on some subjects can’t bear to see anything said in his defense on others.

      The process isn’t complete. On DU, most of us who supported Bernie have been PPR’d/FFR’d or have stomped off in disgust, but there are a few who still post. Similarly, on JPR, some disagreements can be found. Nevertheless, the prevalence of groupthink is a problem that greatly reduces the value of both boards.

      • #420241
        Babel 17
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        @jimlane

        You flagged me by username along with three other posters in a reply here.

        https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/bidens-first-address-to-congress-is-invite-only/#post-419507

        That’s my only post in this thread, and it was clearly a reply to the original post, one that clearly in no way refers to you. If you were to think I was trying to address whatever it is that you posted, you’d be wrong.

        And no, I’m not attempting to enter into a dialogue by posting this, lol. 🙂

        • #420253
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          @babel17

          This thread included several posts commenting on the seating arrangements for the speech.  One of those posts was your reference to “trained seals only,” which I interpreted as an implication that the invitations might be extended only to Senators and Representatives who could be counted on to cheer for Biden unconditionally.  I pointed out that, now that the speech was over and we knew who was actually invited, that turned out not to be the case.

          Because I was disagreeing with a suggestion you had raised, I thought it only courteous to @ you so that you would see it.  I don’t like talking about people behind their backs.

          If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize.

          • #420256
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            “None of my critics have given the slightest reason to believe that the seating arrangements are more important than the tax proposal.”

            You started your post by saying “What I actually wrote, summarized: I compared two events”, after tagging me, as if my one post was addressed to you or your points, which it obviously wasn’t.

            So what you might have meant wasn’t what you wrote. Take a second look at my post, and then yours, and it should be obvious. Look at what we both actually wrote, because what I replied to is what you wrote, not what possibly could be inferred from it.

            Having said that, I’ll amplify my brief reply to the original poster to say that the limited seating arrangement was chosen, imo, so as to help a man in a serious mental decline have as easy a night as possible. He read words off a teleprompter that his handlers wrote in committee, and he was able to get applause for that because that’s all he had to do. The limited seating was so the establishment media, and the hundred Democrats in the audience, could pretend that his performance was worth applauding. Had it been a regular State of the Union speech, and evening, Biden would have been judged by a far higher standard. But it wasn’t such a night, and Biden got the applause that he was all but guaranteed just for getting over the low bar that was set.

            @jimlane

            And I’m done, have a good evening/day.

             

             

      • #420262
        djean111
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        treated the country to at Trump’s SOTU – tearing up the speech, making faces, acting like the spoiled brat she is.  After all, looks like Ted Cruz mostly slept.  Come to think of it, regarding another SOTU outburst, turns out Obama really was a liar.  Doesn’t make the GOP any better, but funny as fuck, now that I think about it!

        Dissecting Biden’s proposals as if they were really going to happen is pointless.  He has always been, is, and always will be, IMO, an austerity-loving (well, not for himself and his buddies, of course) warmongering Wall Street and MIC toady and enabler.   With replacements jostling each other in the wings.  The Democratic Party should really OWN that, IMO, and stop pretending proposals and campaign bullshit are actual things that will get done and help people.  The Party is pretty transparent about loathing progressives, except for their tame progressives, of course.  Right now, the party controls both houses, and evidently does not see the absolute ridiculousness of claiming they can’t get stuff passed – because of their OWN blue dogs.  That’s what the party really is, IMO, they use those blue dogs to try and deflect criticism.  Oh, we would be progressive, but Joe Manchin won’t let us!!!!!  If Biden is bold enough to say that he would veto M4A if it ever got to his desk (haha!  No, Pelosi and Schumer would derail it) then pointing to things in “proposals” that will likely never happen is ludicrous.  Like saying someone in Congress is progressive because they endorse bills they know will never even be voted on.  All for show.

        Defense of Biden?  Whatever.   This is not a Democratic Party supporting board, it was started in protest AT the Democratic Party, and that’s just the way it is.  Getting all verklempt because others criticize Biden in spite of your admonitions?   Reminds me of this –


        @jimlane
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        • #420268
          JonLP
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          CNN

          Washington (CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi felt “liberated” when she ripped up a copy of President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address last year, but the move was largely unplanned simply because she couldn’t find a pen, according to a new book.

          “She felt ‘liberated’ … He was shredding the truth, she said, so she would shred his speech,” USA Today’s Washington bureau chief Susan Page writes in her book “Madam Speaker: Nancy Pelosi and the Lessons of Power,” which was released on Tuesday.
          (Snip)
          When she spotted a line in Trump’s speech she believed to be untrue, the speaker wanted to mark that place in the text to return to it — but she couldn’t find a pen and the small drawer on the dais where she was seated in the House chamber was empty, Page told CNN’s “New Day” on Thursday.
          “So she made a tiny tear in the margin of the paper so that she could find this untruth. Then she found another thing she thought was untrue, and another, and another. She said by the time he was through speaking, the whole speech had little tears along the margins of things he had said that she said she thought were false. That’s when she decided, ‘I might as well tear this up,'” Page told CNN.

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    • #420235
      David the Gnome
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      Some people are so rotten that there is no defense.  That is most of our congress.  That is the white house – it is the overwhelming majority of those who govern.

      Truly, one point to be made is that there is little point in attacking or defending Biden.  Nothing has fundamentally changed.

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