Biggest Threat to Single-Payer? Democrat Support for a Public Option.

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    • #9818
      ZimInSeattle
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      SOP for the Inauthentic Opposition Party. Bait and switch one of their most used tools.

      https://truthout.org/articles/biggest-threat-to-single-payer-democrat-support-for-a-public-option/

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    • #9819
      NV Wino
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      Yep.

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    • #9843
      ThouArtThat
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      eom

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      That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges.

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    • #9854
      RufusTFirefly
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      We would be stuck with a dynamic similar to that of public vs. private schools. Congress would deliberately underfund the public option in order to make it appear that public programs are inferior to private ones.

      If there’s one thing that neoliberals fear above all it’s a successful government service. That’s why social security, Medicare, and even the Post Office are constantly under attack.

      A public option would just serve as a prelude to a great big “I told you so!”

    • #9870
      doh1304
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      Single payer “will never happen”. Don’t you know? It has been decreed.

    • #9871
      sonofspy777
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      insurance companies!

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    • #10241
      JustSayin
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      There corrected the headlines

      Never expect different result by following the previous steps

    • #10248
      bazukhov
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      And, I don’t see Donny and his pals exactly beating the drum for single-payer.

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    • #10298
      Cascadiance
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      I can cite a huge amount of problems I’ve had with it lately, and some of my still persistent and not completely diagnosed health issues have what kept me from working and almost being broke now.  The sign up process is a mess.  When you sign up for it, even if you don’t SUBMIT an application and want to come back later and finish it then, starts submitting it to back end entities like state Medicaid plans.  It caused problems for me last year, when an earlier application that I didn’t want as my final application got submitted early and because I’d projected no income last year (if I had decided to take what remained of my IRAs, etc. before the end of last year), I got put on Medicaid, but having to sort this out later between my Obamacare health plan and Medicaid made a mess of things later.  And having a kidney stone at the beginning of the year last year on a newer plan to be covered in network on my doctor’s office newer alignment has created huge problems with me, and exposed my newer provider as one that doesn’t cover a CENT of bills out of network, and only counts a fraction of what’s billed towards one’s deductible, which might have gotten used up and actually had them pay SOMETHING on my monthly med bills, which they only counted as being toward my deductible, which never got filled.

      This year, I got signed up for Medicaid again when I declared no income for the coming year, which is VALID now until I find a new job, and I thought I’d not asked for my older corporate plan to be renewed and WANTED them to sign me up this time around.  They signed me up early again so I actually got them to pay for my meds in December and not have to pay anything, even though I thought I had never signed up for and explicitly cancelled my Obamacare corporate insurance plan before the end of the year on the 31st, they still want to bill me for a day of “service” at the start of this year.  And not only that, I found out later, they had considered my Medicaid plan a “secondary” plan to my main corporate plan being a “primary” plan, so once the cancellation had gone through, I in effect had “no insurance” while they transitioned my “secondary” state Medicaid plan to a “primary” plan for the state, which I still don’t have a card for.  I found out afterward that I could no longer go to Costco to get meds (nor Walgreens) which is almost right next door to me, as they would only take the “secondary” plan Medicaid plan (I guess they are “different” for some damn reason!).  I wound up having to go to Fred Meyer instead, and in order to get my payment to go through, a clerk had to get creative when he was told by some entity that I was still covered by more corporate plan then that I wasn’t.  He first tried to bill it to my corporate plan, and got that rejection to help justify getting me coverage from the new state “primary” Medicaid plan!  This sound confusing!  It certainly was for me!  But if so many out there have to go through the same experience I had, I can’t blame people for being PO’d at the system we have now.  Getting Medicare for all to replace all of these CORPORATE THIEVES companies would be a huge blessing for all of us!  A lot of other messes there too, like doctors referring to incorrect entities renewals of med prescriptions, etc. too, but you get the idea.  We need to SIMPLIFY our medical care system to focus on delivering treatment to people, not the massive amount of administrative paperwork mess that I think I witnessed a big part of it.

      I just hope I get a job soon, so that I can get back on a different health insurance plan before we get Medicare for all, to be taken out of this messy loop and not have things like $2 and $35 bills mailed to me for a DAY of service that should never be even on the books for 2019 at my old insurance company that I just got yesterday.  And hopefully can get some good doctor visits then too, to make sure some of my existing ailments go away and don’t keep me from working and living a decent life soon.

    • #10437
      rudycantfail
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      The Democratic Party is an organization of con artists.

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