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    • #498213
      jbnw
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      British MoD on Twitter:
      “Amongst the winter kit provided to Ukrainian recruits training on UK soil, will be a special token of UK support.

      A refillable lighter, a soldier’s best friend engraved with:
      “Glory to Ukraine, Glory to the heroes.” Slava Ukraini=Heil Hitler

    • #498220
      djean111
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      .

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #498237
      closeupready
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      they continued to support his nazi ideas even after the end of WWII – they just hid their support well. Look at South America for an example of somewhere in which former nazi officials could run and hide, with the support of locals who probably knew what was up with their new gringo, German-speaking immigrants in the 1940’s.

      So while it’s disappointing that support for the nazi elements in Ukraine has become implicit (soon to be explicit?), it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise to people with a good knowledge of US history. It makes me very angry, though.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #498244
        jbnw
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        They remember WW II and their family members who fought against the Nazis.

        My dad would have been shocked – he was a WW II Pearl Harbor veteran. Much as I miss him, I am glad he didn’t see Joe Biden’s war.

      • #498293
        soryang
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        …to establish “democratic” Japan. Their descendants control the leading factions in the ruling LDP to the present time:

        Sponsored by the CIA, Kishi went to work building a conservative hegemony in Japanese politics. He ascended to the position of Prime Minister (1957–60)—followed by his brother (1964–72) and his grandson (2006–2007, 2012–2020)—and remained in power behind the scenes until his death in 1987. Kodama became the nation’s number one power broker and fixer, dealing chiefly with underground business and politics. Sasakawa established legalized gambling and motor-boat racing, and became “the world’s richest fascist,”[10] known for his philanthropic empire (via the Sasakawa Foundation, for one example). The state propaganda officer Shoriki transformed into a media mogul, launching Japan’s first private TV network and popular baseball team. Yomiuri newspaper—the main mouthpiece for the military dictatorship during the war—gained the nation’s highest readership while openly distributing nationalistic and pro-American agendas. Together, they laid the foundation of a new, “democratic” Japan.

        These four figures had one firm belief in common. They were all imperialists, and effectively anti-communists, who were immensely loyal to the Emperor. Some believe that they were double agents working to advance both American interests and their imperialist fantasies. Kishi, Kodama, Sasakawa, and Shoriki lived in the same cell before their mysterious release. Their fraternity was formed in the close quarters of Sugamo Prison and continued for the rest of their lives.

        The Imperial Ghost in the Neoliberal Machine (Figuring the CIA)
        Koichiro Osaka

        https://relations-tokyo.com/2021/06/28/koichiro-osaka-en/

        The four cellmates were all war criminals from WWII. The CIA had them released. Nobuo Kishi another grandchild of war criminal Kishi, was defense minister of Japan, but was recently forced out of that office by his association with the Moon organization. Since then he has been functioning as the “special” national security advisor to Kishida. Taro Aso the leader of a powerful LDP faction is also related to the Kishi family. On occasion he slips and reveals one of his pro-Nazi opinions. They are all historical revisionists in which Japan was the “victim” in WWII and their forebears are national heroes.

        惑世誣民 혹세무민

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          closeupready
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          Appreciate the info.

          The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

          • #498374
            soryang
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            @closeupready It is consistent with Allen Dulles treatment of German nazis in the immediate post war period and other US actions. I could have made the point more clearly. I should have explicitly stated that Shinzo Abe was Kishi Nobusuke’s other grandchild and the darling of the US establishment. I just assume sometimes that this is common knowledge. When Abe left office for “health reasons” the second time, he made sure his half brother Kishi Nubuo was installed as defense minister.

            Abe was always an advocate of getting rid of article 9 in Japan’s constitution limiting military action and organization to self defense, and recent US administrations encouraged these efforts. Kishi is currently also considered special advisor on nuclear disarmament, which imo, is Orwellian, because many believe him to be an advocate of nuclear weapons for Japan. Kishi is also regarded as an advocate of deploying ballistic missiles in Okinawa, and retaining Taiwan in the Japanese/US sphere of influence. Abe was the main proponent of spreading the military competition with China to the South China Sea and is credited by some analysts as the principal proponent of the “Indo-Pacific strategy” against China which the US Pacific Command adopted (now Indo-Pacific Command) and became US foreign policy.

            Japan is always assumed to be some passive peaceful democracy, but it isn’t, behind the government’s formal facade, it is a revanchist state looking to return to its formal imperial glory. I believe the majority of Japanese are peacefully oriented and have little desire to return to the misguided aggressive traditions of the imperial period (a majority was against Abe’s state funeral). I characterize US Asian policy as “unleashing Japan,” which is a big mistake similar to that made by the US and UK at the turn of the 20th Century which ultimately resulted in WWII. At that time they used Japan to check Russian power in the far east. Today, due to the relative decline in US power, US policy makers feel they have no alternative, which is a misguided view.

            惑世誣民 혹세무민

            • #498390
              jbnw
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              learning more than I was aware of – thank you.

            • #498400
              closeupready
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              I mean, it’s fascinating, and – IMO – it helps (in part) to establish a good understanding of why North Korea’s dictators behave the way they do, and why China supports North Korea. Outsiders (like Japan and the US) aggressed in the past, and would do it again – look at Iraq, or any of the other military flashpoints which have flared as a result of the involvement of the US. That’s not even speculation – it’s simply sound reasoning based upon historical facts (like the ones you’ve brought here to the discussion).

              Cheers!

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      Dunatus
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    • #498283
      ozoneman
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      He’s made several really bad decisions recently, including lying about sending a missile into Poland to potentially start NATO involvement, and WWIII, lying about bombing Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station, killing Russian soldiers who surrendered, even the NYT reported on this. He’s a liability at this point.

      No wonder Russia is saying that they don’t want regime change in Ukraine. This guy is digging his own hole, and the West will change him out anyway.

      Of course what the West has done in Ukraine is worse, Bombing NS1/NS2, bombing the Kerch bridge, attacking Black Sea fleet, Bio-war labs, etc.. But, its the optics, and they look really bad for Zelensky.

      • #498289
        jbnw
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        I am a bit surprised to see it in Western news, but then, it looks like the US and the West are realizing they can’t afford it forever.

        Notice the two events are happening about the same time – my guess is that the financial issues are allowing the bad decisions and policies come to light.


        @ozoneman

        • #498305
          Ohio Barbarian
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          The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs says now is the best time for Ukraine to negotiate, as they are in a position of strength. Milley’s lying about that, and he knows it. However, it is true that Ukraine’s position  will never be stronger than it is now, so if you allow Milley some wriggle-room he can claim he was telling as much of the truth as he could at the time.

          Remember that Head Spook Burns was in Ankara talking with his Russian counterpart at the time, and that his next stop was Kiev to meet with Zelensky. Now that thing has happened, and Zelensky has suddenly dropped his no negotiation without total Russian withdrawal first stance.

          I imagine some of the Ukronazis around VZ would rather die gloriously than negotiate, or force others to die gloriously, and might be inclined to see VZ die before giving up a meter. I really do think this guy is in WAY over his head, and he’s probably scared to death. I also think he’s a crook who has Mammon knows how many bucks tucked away. It’ll be interesting to see what fate holds in store for him and his wife.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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