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  • davidthegnome (2564 posts)
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    Buckle up all…

    ** Posting this as it’s own OP because I got really carried away in another thread and went on quite a rant, some of you like reading my rants**

    Trump really is a complete disaster.  His economic “policies” alone are a nightmare for anyone who isn’t wealthy.  He is terrible on pretty much every issue I can think of.  That should be enough for any sane person.  It should be enough to discredit him, to ruin him, to be all but utterly certain that 2020 will see him replaced.  Money laundering, ties to Russian mafia and constant, even outrageous lies…

    Problem is…. what is going on really is a witch hunt.  They are not taking the high ground, telling the truth – and attacking him based on policy, on integrity, on his actual lack of any governing skill.  They are clinging to the lie that Russia is responsible for the Trump Presidency.  That Russia interfered in our election (therefor Trump), that Russia hacked the DNC (no evidence, let alone proof), that Putin somehow deliberately orchestrated a series of events in which Trump became our President.

    I remember well the days leading up to the election.  I remember, quite clearly, the arrogant certainty of many democrats that Clinton had basically already won.  I remember the mountains of justifications and even outright lies that were used to support Clinton, the apologists, the so called “feminists” who insisted we elect Clinton… because she was a female.

    I remember too, how I felt in the voting booth, examining my choices for President.  I remember debating with myself (for a long enough time to annoy those next in line, I’m sure) whether to write in Bernie or vote for herself.  I even (very briefly) considered a “burn it all down” vote for Trump – though I quickly discarded that idea.  In the end, for me, it came down to who I believed would do the least amount of harm – Clinton won that internal debate I had with myself, but only barely.  A write in would have been ineffective, I knew that…

    Others, who I cannot fault for it, believed Trump would do the least harm.  Or, perhaps they wanted to see our government unmasked for what it is – Trump certainly does not do subtlety.  What I can’t recall at all?

    Any advertising on social media attacking Clinton to support Trump.  Perhaps I missed it, I’m sure some was there – but most of what I saw was positive for Clinton and negative for Trump.  I did not see Russia spoken of, I did not see any of the supposed Russian ads – I despised Clinton based on her actual history, based on policy, based on her support for the 1% and contempt for everyone else.  Honestly, I almost wanted to be brainwashed into thinking she’d somehow be good.

    That’s me, a lifelong democrat from a family of democrats – someone who has always been very liberal due mostly to life events and circumstances – as well as the fact that I read a lot.  I knew who she was, I knew what she was, I knew her Presidency would be bad.  I voted for her anyway, going for the “lesser of two evils” as I saw it.

    No one could have changed my mind about Trump – and if anything my views regarding him have gotten even worse since his Presidency began.  I will say though – that he is not the result of some ridiculous Russian campaign, hack, or anything else Russian.  He is the result of the American populace despising the status quo, Clinton, wall street – and establishment politics, such as they are.  He is the result of the democrats abandoning their roots within the working class, of viewing the poor with contempt much as Reagan did – much as Obama – who called himself a “Reagan democrat” did.

    Oh, they can BS all day about unity, talking points, memos and whatnot… but the truth is in the policies they promoted and those few which they enacted via legislation.  Yes, the ACA did some good to help some of us – it also hurt an equal if not greater number via increasing premiums, copays and deductibles.  The Iran deal, such as it was, was sure to see it’s doom under the next Republican Presidency… it was a hopeful thing for peace, but it could not be realistically expected to last.

    The actions we took in Libya, in Afghanistan, in Syria, in Yemen… all led to the strengthening of the military industrial complex, the massive boosting of military funding – and the further destruction of our economy.  This continues still – and, if anything, grows worse.

    When was the last time we saw genuine progressive legislation?  The closest thing we have is the ACA – which, in all truth, is just Romney-Care enacted on a national scale.  When was the last time there was an infrastructure or jobs bill that did us any good?  When was the last time that – any – aspect of our safety net saw strengthening and improvement?  When was the last time anyone was able to successfully fight to even bring such a thing to a vote?

    Trump isn’t the problem.  He is a symptom of the sickness that has long infected our government, the endless greed, corruption, cronyism, egotism, ignorance, arrogance… and yes… stupidity.

    The fact of the matter is that we are not led by evil geniuses.  We are manipulated by evil idiots.  People who have little to no comprehension of how to build anything at all – let alone a strong economy.  People who have little or no military experience are determining what we actually do with the military.  People who are unaffected by it are gleefully promoting and endorsing austerity programs, mass surveillance, war..

    Russia isn’t the problem.  Even Trump, for all his idiocy… isn’t the problem.  The problem is the system that we have and the way in which it rewards the wealthy for corruption, for lies, for endless greed and recklessness both here and on an international level.  The problem is that most of our “elected officials” are so far detached from what it means to be an average American that they may as well live on another planet.

    The fact that they are attacking Jill Stein as being some kind of Russian tool is utterly despicable and utterly laughable for anyone who has spent any time reading over the last couple of years.

    Lies, lies… and more lies.  We are on the brink of another economic collapse, potentially on the brink of another enormous (and enormously expensive) war.  Climate change and it’s effects are the barbarians at our gates, but the gatekeepers are asleep.  Yet, instead of working to protect the populace, to bring the world together in unity to save, or at least cushion our race from what is to come… instead of working for greater economic equality, peace, or anything worthwhile…

    War is what is on the minds of our politicians (at least, the vast majority).  It is even what is on my mind, for I fear it cannot now be stopped.  The military industrial complex rolls on, unstoppable, it’s tendrils reaching into nearly every aspect of our society.  The tax cuts for the wealthy, the cuts that will lead to greater suffering for the poor…

    Russiagate?  Don’t make me fucking laugh.  Jill Stein a plant/Russian agent?  LOLOL.  DNC hacks?  What will tomorrow’s scandal be?  It will provide endless hours of entertainment for those poor fools still enthralled by MSNBC, Fox, or the mainstream media… what it will not do is provide anything resembling truth.  What it will not do is help us progress in the direction in which we must – must – move to save our world and our race.

    Frankly, we’re pretty well fucked at this point.  It’s only a question of when what has gone around will come around.  It isn’t Russia’s fault, not Stein’s, it’s not even Trump’s.  It is our despicably broken, corrupt system of government, and our powerlessness now to stop it.  Buckle up all, going to be a bumpy fucking ride.

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  • nevereVereven (4838 posts)
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    1. Excellent post, as usual.

    I also failed to notice any “pro Trump” campaign on social media. Although my Facebook usage was already waning at the time, the factor which finally led me to abandon it completely was the overwhelming avalanche of HillBot bullshit.

    Just my 2¢.

    A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
    • davidthegnome (2564 posts)
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      2. I was pretty active.

      I don’t always post, but I typically check in every other day or so.  At the time, I had friends on my facebook page who were ultra right wing.  I unfriended pretty much all of them because they were, if anything, even worse than the hillbots.  I can handle thought-out policies and ideals that are worth a damn, but the endless bull shit from faux conservatives has always made me cringe.  Endless rants about the “liberal war on christmas”, the “liberal media”, babble about “God is not allowed in schools anymore” and similar such shit, well, it grew tiresome.

      Some… some of the Hillbots, such as they are/were, had good intentions.  I believe they honestly thought Clinton would be good for progress – if only incremental progress.  I believe they were wrong.  Unfortunately, most of them watch MSNBC and see Rachel Maddow as something of a champion for democracy/liberalism… gag.

      I recall several posts from people criticizing those who were “Bernie or bust”, insisting that the damage Trump would inevitably do would not be done by Clinton.  I saw a lot more attacks on Trump or on Bernie’s ideas, than I saw on Clinton.  I saw a whole hell of a lot of weak arguments in her favor… but I rarely disputed them once the primaries were over.  I knew the fix was in.

      At one point I had hope that in spite of everything, democrats would eventually unite into a more solid political force.  That there would be some room within the party for those like me.  There isn’t (except for perhaps, a very, very few on what is considered the utter fringe – I am no longer willing to be a whipping boy, though).  Truth is… there hasn’t been for a very long time.  We are the first to be thrown under the bus every time something goes wrong.  The Third Way, corporate democrats, lesser evilism, all of this has taken control of the party – it has had control for a long time.

      For years, the real people of this Country have been hungry for progressive change – and millions of us have been just plain hungry.  The democrats… such as they are currently… do not have the power nor even the will to bring it about.  There are some few progressives, but they are massively outnumbered.

      Eh.  I’m not sure party even matters anymore – if it ever did.  Ideas matter.  Policies matter.  But, perhaps none of it will matter for much longer.

      “There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress.” - Mark Twain
      • Bisbonian (127 posts)
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        12. OUTSTANDING post. I wasn't able to comment, earlier;

        I read this while out of town, and couldn’t remember my password. I have saved this, in my “important articles” files, because you make so many points that are worth recording. I always enjoy reading your responses…but this is such a good compilation of many of your thoughts at once…worth reading again, and referring to, later.

  • Earth artist (948 posts)
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    3. Wow! 👍

  • TIME TO PANIC (728 posts)
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    4. K & R!!!!

    "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
  • MistaP (8488 posts)
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    5. in fact all October-first week of November they were pounding over and over

    that nobody was reading the WikiLeaks, that they were trivial, that they were about boilerplate, that they weren’t influencing anyone: now of course the covert goal was to just keep people from reading on Her cheating and corruption and pushing Trump, that her campaign depended on arm-twisting artificial concessions from others since the 2008 Corrupt Bargain instead of any strength of her own or accomplishment of its pathetic, expectant dancing poodles in the party and the news

    http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
  • Wood (1841 posts)
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    6. I'm counting on Momma Nature to intervene..

    such gross imbalance everywhere — response from Nature is inevitable. Nature abhors imbalance as much as a vacuum.

    Not sure about vacuum cleaners; they are good for cleanup.

    "All things wrong will move on if you let them."  - Prem Rawat
  • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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    7. What a great rant. I'm surprised it's not on the Daily Radical yet.

    I’ll have to try to fix that.

    As for our powerlessness, I know it seems that way, but we are not completely powerless. We do what we can do, that’s all, even if it’s just trying to get people to at least think for themselves by offering different perspectives on the same truths. You’re pretty good at that, you know.  :toast:

    Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
  • Deadpool (14697 posts)
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    8. On the Daily Radical!

  • Enthusiast (13203 posts)
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    9. Kicked and Recommended!

    "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." Thomas Jefferson
  • ThomPaine (5715 posts)
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    10. I like reading your rants David.

    • Marym625 (29835 posts)
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      11. Me too!

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • MrMickeysMom (1970 posts)
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      13. Me THREE, David!

      I cannot convince people who should know better to catch up and read, if they don’t believe us themselves. Unfortunately, they are members of the party that has long ago abandoned us for an elite, valueless, fascist confederacy of fools.

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  • coderEmeritus (659 posts)
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    14. Like an opiod addict…

    …. this country will have to hit rock bottom before anything changes.  We’re not there yet, but it is coming.  And the more extreme the crash the more sweeping reforms will follow.  It sucks, but it seems to be baked into human nature.

    Couldn’t agree more with your post Mr Gnome.