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  • Scott Crowder (480 posts)
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    Caitlin: Bernie wouldn't have been much better

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/bernie-wouldve-won-and-he-wouldn-t-have-been-much-better-6fe9bd279c2e

    Sanders would have used his presidential platform to continue calling for economic justice, essentially advocating the same things he’s advocating now but with a bigger voice. This would have gone a lot further toward advancing real change in America than his actual governmental authority and sped up the nation’s movement toward revolution against the oligarchy, but this agenda too would have been shut down at every turn. In a system where money equals political power, a ruling class necessarily emerges which must necessarily work toward keeping the public poor in order to continue its rule, since power is relative. The ruling class would have continued shutting down all movement toward universal healthcare, a living wage and income equality because their rule depends upon it.

    And that’s it, really. That’s the extent to which Sanders would have differed as a US President from the current chimp in charge. He would have been politically impotent toward facilitating real change, but would have used the bully pulpit to fan the flames of a real revolution. This is the only reason the plutocrats pushed to sabotage his election. They were never afraid of Bernie, they were afraid of the people. They were afraid of you.

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    Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
    https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/

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  • N2Doc (4149 posts)
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    1. Bullpucky

    Sorry, just defeatist bullpucky.

    "But nothing ever changes unless there's some pain" - Tears For Fears "Goodnight Song"
  • iggy (1416 posts)
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    2. Be afraid,, Assholes

    Like the old saying goes: What goes around, comes around. Bernie is just a messenger.

    Truth has no Expiration Date. Life without Dignity is Slavery.
  • Coldmountaintrail (1679 posts)
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    3. even if true, it's a significant difference.

    sanders knew enough about politics to do somewhat more, imho

    and a president using his pulpit has power to coalesce the public

  • Two way street (2335 posts)
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    4. If We the People keep cleaning Houses and Senates every 2 years, then

    things will get better and better.

    Draft Bernie for a people's party becomes Draft Bernie for a people's Single Payer Party.
  • NV Wino (4403 posts)
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    5. She's right to a certain extent.

    With the current mix of congress it would be stalemate/gridlock. Even with a democratic majority, he would have been facing gridlock.

    We wouldn’t, however, be facing the loss of national monuments or the pardon of Joe Arpeggio (sp?), or any number of other things.

    Resist-sm_zpswfchkz8t “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee  
    • Maedhros (594 posts)
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      7. Establishment Democrats would have been just as pissed off

      at a Bernie presidency as they are (pretend to be?) about a Trump presidency, and would have obstructed Bernie’s plans.

  • ThouArtThat (4715 posts)
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    6. The Quickest Way To Undermine The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks – Dissensus

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/an-idea-rarely-discussed-is-the-utility-of-political-dissensus/

    "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
  • cui bono (1570 posts)
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    8. She's missing the point she makes at the end.

    That it’s about the people. It was never about Bernie except for the fact that he was giving voice to what the people want. And Bernie would NOT have tossed us aside like Obama did. He would have used the bully pulpit to rally us into a movement to make the change happen.

    She’s actually using the argument Obama supporters used, that obstruction is the reason he couldn’t get anything done. Obama never even TRIED to get anything done that was in the people’s best interest.

    By her logic we may as well just stay home and watch TV and give up. That’s bullshit.

    The DNC can try to squash us but we'll just come back stronger.   
    • Scott Crowder (480 posts)
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      10. I didn't get what you got out of that, quite the opposite, in fact.

      Don’t know how you got such a negative impression.

      Think of all the “moderates” who, throughout history, have failed to oppose state-sanctioned aggression, oppression, and abuse, from slavery to child labor, while maligning those who call for change as dangerous and misguided, violent radicals. And yet, in retrospect, when a renewed social contract is established as the new normal, the unlawful actions that brought about these societal shifts are turned into mythical tales of nationalistic heroism and dates for kids to memorize at school.
      https://limitedhangoutblog.com/2017/02/08/lets-talk-about-violence/
  • Dragonfli (1232 posts)
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    9. She's correct that all the politicians that money can buy would oppose him

    I do believe she may have underestimated the coattails that would have followed him into lesser offices, some of whom wouldn’t have been purchased. Not to mention the popular support for the 2018 midterm candidates, that with his support and a similar no corporate or billionaire donor policy, could have gained yet more offices.

    He like Obama would have had an army of disenfranchised citizens seeking change towards the very types of policy he clearly advocated, but unlike Obama he would not have disbanded and ignored them upon entering office, he would have helped them use their power as citizens to help enact such policy.

    When FDR came into office it was just as corrupt as now, actual American Fascists were to be found openly supporting Fascism as a viable ideology among the monied crowd (before the war at least) and had representation in our government, yet FDR was so popular that the people that responded to him helped him in similar ways as I describe, eventually giving him a bullet proof legislative branch.

    He could have made a big difference, perhaps even changing the face of congress and achieving acceptable election tally reform which is the largest actual impediment to change.

    We will never know how much actual difference he could have made because of the DNC, but he would certainly have made some difference for the better, rather than the usual difference for the worse.

     

    “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall