Caitlin Johnstone: Why Liberals Hate Leftists

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      Liberals hate leftists. Hate them, hate them, hate them.

      They don’t often admit it of course. Admitting you hate those to your left at least as much as you hate those to your right would cause a lot of cognitive dissonance for those who think of themselves as being on the left, and it would weaken their arguments considerably.

      But they do. Liberals hate leftists, for a number of reasons.

      Liberals hate leftists because there is a night-and-day difference between a capitalist, imperialist establishment and an ideology which wants to tear down that establishment and replace it with peace and socialism. There’s more of a difference between true leftists and establishment liberals than there is between the far right and establishment liberals.

      Liberals hate leftists because the psychological discomfort known as cognitive dissonance actually hurts, so those who provoke it can often be perceived as the cause of that pain.

      Liberals hate leftists because they’ve spent their whole lives building and reinforcing a worldview which validates war, oligarchy and exploitation while thinking of themselves as defenders of equality and sanity, so when someone comes in promoting an ideology which highlights the discrepancy between those two points the cognitive dissonance which sets in makes them feel like the leftist just slapped them in the face.

      Liberals hate leftists because while both purport to support the working class and disempowered groups, only one of them actually does so.

      Liberals hate leftists for the same reason someone telling a bogus self-aggrandizing story at a party would hate somebody who caught them in one of their lies in front of everyone.

      Liberals hate leftists because leftists are a constant reminder that liberals are not the thing they pretend to be.

      Liberals hate leftists for the same reason you’d hate someone who keeps yelling out “This is all fake! Those are actors!” at a theater: they disrupt a pleasant illusion the liberals are trying to enjoy about villains being fought by heroic protagonists.

      Liberals hate leftists for the same reason a wife who is informed that her husband is cheating on her will often turn her anger upon the person who told her: they made it hard to hold onto the delusion that their setup is working out fine.

      Liberals hate leftists because a worldview that is based on lies will always necessarily be opposed to a worldview that is based on truth.

      Liberals hate leftists because your worldview feels like a part of who you are, so people who expose the hypocrisy, ineffectiveness, illegitimacy and untruthfulness of your worldview will often be perceived as if they are attacking you personally.

      Liberals hate leftists because they are surrounded by screens telling them all day every day that their ideology is the only correct position, so people who come in pointing out the flaws in their ideology will be perceived not as individuals with whom they disagree, but as liars.

      Liberals hate leftists because they’ve been trained by the mass media over the last few years to view any disagreement with the imperialist beltway consensus on foreign policy as Russian and therefore sinister.

      Liberals hate leftists because change is scary and status quo bias is a thing.

      Liberals hate leftists because if the leftists are right, then everyone who taught them everything they know in life is wrong.

      Liberals hate leftists because it’s easier than tearing down your entire worldview and rebuilding it piece by piece from the perspective that everything you’ve been told about the world and the way it works is a lie.

      Liberals hate leftists because, despite whatever stories they might believe about themselves, liberals are opposed to everything leftists stand for in every meaningful way.

      The more real leftists are with themselves about this, the more effective they will be.

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      Just in case they might have a big burst of conscience and vote for a progressive someday.

    • #362410
      Passionate Progressive
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      and because I didn’t see the link in the source thread, I’ll post it here.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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      They hate us but they need our votes even though they do nothing to earn them. This time around they have served up a Republican lite man with a terrible record who appears to be on his last legs and a right leaning woman who dropped out of the Presidential race when it became apparent she had no support, but her  black and South Asian heritage got her the nod anyway. And this is supposed to excite anybody? Trump is horrible, but this is a piss poor alternative.

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      ..and return it a thousandfold.

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      @rufustfirefly Falling Down. Great movie. Got the DVD, we do.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      “If you are not dedicated to the destruction of empire and the dismantling of American militarism, then you cannot count yourself as a member of the left, and you are certainly not a socialist. This is not a side issue; it is the issue.”

      Liberals love them some capitalist empire.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      This is why.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      except he’d never admit his feelings toward progressives. And he is the perfect Democratic Establishment Liberal: White, college educated professional who makes $300K a year, sips lattes everyday and drives, what else, a Volvo. He actually supported Buttigeig in the primaries. And he always claims the moral high ground.

      I'm just tryin' to get by being quiet and shy,
      In a world full of pushin' and shove.

      Jimmy Buffett, "The Wino and I Know"

    • #362548
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      Darn ….and here I was just getting used to calling myself a Progressive.

      I find it interesting that Caitlin’s article quite successfully highlights many of the differences between JPR and SV .


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      There is a message in there somewhere.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

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