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    California tech firm will move HQ, create 300 jobs in downtown KC

    AutoAlert, a California-based leader in software solutions for auto dealers, has been offered a state Missouri Works grant of as much as $9.2 million for moving its headquarters to downtown Kansas City.
    The company, which is headquartered in Irvine, Calif., is expected to create more than 300 high-paying tech jobs at the new location. <>

    “Just got off the phone with the CEO of AutoAlert,” Greitens said in a release. “We had a great conversation. He told me that because of new policies like Right to Work, which show our commitment to growing our economy, they are excited to bring their business here and create jobs. This is what you sent me here to do, and I’m proud to say that we are getting results for you.” <> bizjournals

    EMPHASIS MINE

    How is it job creation if you take jobs from one place to another?

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    • Peace Patriot (2622 posts)
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      1. Good question! It ISN'T job creation. It's the race…

      …to the bottom.

    • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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      2. more like job destruction since the jobs will likely be lower waged and

      benefited.

      and it actually looks like Missouri is giving them money (“grant”) so it doesn’t look like that great of a deal for the taxpayers either.

      fools and their money — bring it on until the deluge, I say, idiots

    • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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      3. What people have posted on the internet about working for Autoalert.

      These are not my words.  I am merely posting them from a website entitled “indeed.com.”

      This company has completely changed the dynamic and atmosphere it once was. They were one of the top companies to work for for a reason and since then has ruined the whole companies morale and the family-like atmosphere it once had. There has been too many changes, and too many CEO’s in and out. This company does not compensate you for the work you do nor gives raises or bonuses like they use to. They have taken away a lot of things that is what brought everyone together and are more about making money for the executives then anything else.

      . . . .

      No room for advancement. Senior Management does not understand the culture that the original owners took years to build. Immediate management has no empathy and does not develop team members. It is a job not a career.

      And, from Hingham, Maine

      Marketing Coordinator (Former Employee) – Hingham, MA – October 31, 2016
      I was really impressed with how efficiently the production teams operated, and it was really exciting to be part of that process. I loved putting to use my skills as an editor, and enjoyed being part of a production team.

      ps://www.indeed.com/cmp/Autoalert/reviews?fcountry=US&floc=Irvine%2C+CA

      Maybe the employees in Kansas City will be happier than the employees were in Irvine.  I live in California.  It’s expensive here.

      Rents are low in Kansas City:

      As of January 2017, average apartment rent within the city of of Kansas City, MO is $958.
      One bedroom apartments in Kansas City rent for $825 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $1058.
      https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-kansas-city-mo-rent-trends/

      In Irvine, rents are high.

      As of January 2017, average apartment rent within the city of of Irvine, CA is $2262.
      One bedroom apartments in Irvine rent for $1900 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $2458.

      https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-irvine-rent-trends/

      Of course, heating bills are higher in Kansas City, but if an employer doesn’t want to pay a lot, employees may be able to live for less in Kansas City.  It’s easier to export from California.  But that probably isn’t an issue for this company.

      There are good employees all over the country.

      California does not have difficulty attracting good companies.  If a company wants to innovate and be in a location in which there is emphasis on technology, really good universities and a positive, forward-looking culture, California is the place to be.  If a company is looking for a place in which it can pay low wages and not have to compete for the best, most innovative employees, then maybe it is better to be elsewhere.

      The rents in California are high partly because California is a great place to live and do business.

       

       

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      • tiamat (675 posts)
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        6. Thanks for the (always) good info.

    • N2Doc (4734 posts)
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      4. Good luck keeping your best and brightest

      Nothing against KC, but if folks are used to SC then they aren’t going to want to relocate if they have other options. And the top folks will.

      "But nothing ever changes unless there's some pain" - Tears For Fears "Goodnight Song"
      • tiamat (675 posts)
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        7. Yes, and if trump dumps bunches of H-1B2 visas…

        Nevermind, need to watch my Karma.

      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        9. The pool of qualified labor is very large in California.

        If the quality of the training and expertise of most of your employees is not that important, then any area of the country will do.

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    • Eggar (2063 posts)
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      5. and I always think of missouri when I

      think of ‘high-paying tech jobs’ especially now that it has become the newest member of the right-to-work states.

       

      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        10. Are computer tech employees unionized?

        If so, that’s news to me.  I wonder why having or not having unions matters to that company.  I doubt that it does.  Kansas is a good place to pay low wages because the rents are relatively low.

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        • Eggar (2063 posts)
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          11. I

          wish The R/L Justification would allow me to write dead center between the edge borders – maybe table cells can be added to the editor some day? A lot of dead unusable space between them.

          The Rent that one listed up-thread prior looks an awful lot like rent does around most big cities.  I’m right now outside of Portland and Rent looks pretty damn comparible if what was listed is recent.  IT should have their own union that would be cool.

          • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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            12. IT should have a union. But I don't think they do.

            Portland rents have gone way up in the last couple of years as I understand it.

            Move to an urban area; earn better pay; pay much higher rent.  Same difference.

            Portland is a great place to live, but not all high-rent areas are.

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            • Eggar (2063 posts)
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              13. Yes

              Even coming north from the Lake Elsitucky region of CA seemed just as high too.  I am not seeing much variance anymore when it comes to rent in the outskirts of major metros. Zones seem to be somewhat more equalized these days with exception to the absurd pockets in every county

            • cascadiance (2805 posts)
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              15. There's a reason why Novick got voted out of Portland City Council…

              … and that was the candidate that beat him last election was a big advocate of bringing forth more rent control and other solutions to the high cost of real estate here in this area.  People are PO’d about it now and too many folks are homeless out on the streets at the moment.

              The high tech industry “evolved” too quickly that didn’t allow time for a union movement to build up in it in high tech centers like Silicon Valley. Back in the 80’s and early 90’s, most high tech employees were treated very well, and places like HP and Sun Microsystems then were known to not have had ANY layoffs up to that point.  And with a growing startup marketplace at the start of the high tech boom bubble in the 90’s, many employees had visions of entering the startup market and getting a great idea to go public and get rich off the boom then.  Not exactly a marketplace where many were concerned about starting a union movement then.  Then almost overnight both NAFTA got started and the H-1B visa program were started in the early 90’s right about this time.   Economy did a little dip around the 90’s, but internet boom bubble still had the marketplace grow (even if artificially with all of the laddering scams Wall Street was working behind the scenes on during that time).  Then about the end of the century the dotcom bomb started, but by that time, NAFTA, the H-1B program, and other outsourcing efforts towards far more contract jobs that has taken over since then started, and no real union had a chance with so many guest workers and contractors replacing permanent workers that weren’t able to be a part of unions.

              I think that the atmosphere now is that if there are efforts to shut down guest worker visas (that has been talked about but we shall see), and if companies are forced to hire more permanent employees instead of just contract workers to fill their ranks, this time around high tech workers with the last two decades of being screwed on salaries, etc. in the workplace with many layoffs and startup goals no mostly just to get bought out by big companies rather than “going public”, there might be a good movement towards unions in the high tech workplace this time around, that perhaps these companies are trying to avoid by relocating to “right to work” states now.

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              • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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                21. Very interesting.

                California Code of Regulations, Chapter 5, Grouop2, Article 4. 1.(3)(h), (i) is also interesting.

                https://www.dir.ca.gov/t8/11040.html

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        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          17. there's a reason rents are low:

          Residents with income below the poverty level in 2015:
          =Kansas City:  22.1%
          =Whole state:  19.4%

          Renting rate in this city among poor and not poor residents:
          =Residents below poverty level:  71.1%
          =Residents above poverty level:  37.8%

          http://www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Kansas-City-Missouri.html

           

          FBI: Kansas City, other Missouri cities among worst cities nationwide for violent crime

          http://www.kshb.com/news/crime/fbi-kansas-city-other-missouri-cities-among-worst-cities-nationwide-for-violent-crime

          • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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            22. I don't have a date on this article, but here is information on the poverty rate

            in Los Angeles.
            New estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau show that poverty is greater in Los Angeles County than in the state or country as a whole, with 18 percent of individuals falling below the poverty line. 

            The new five-year estimates from the American Community Survey show a quarter of all children in Los Angeles County live in poverty. Of those residents who were born in another country, 20 percent live in poverty. 

            http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/12/03/48450/los-angeles-poverty-rate-greater-than-california-n/

            In spite of the poverty rate in Los Angeles, California is, in terms of tax revenue provided to the federal government, a “donor” state.  That is as a state, we give more money to other states than we receive.

            But we have so many homeless people in Los Angeles.  It’s terrible.  And they are not all “furreners.”  Lots of Americans and many of them from other states.  It’s warm here so it’s easier to be homeless here but still very, very difficult.

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            • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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              24. kc has a bit under 500K people, and 71% of renters are under the poverty line.

              “Why rents are relatively low,” in case you missed it the first time.

              Only 37% of renters are above the poverty line.

               

              • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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                25. Yes. The poverty numbers are just unbelievable.

                Today I was on my way to a meeting and went into a shopping mall, a large one in LA to buy a birthday present for my granddaughter.  I don’t go in those places very often.  The sheer gaudiness and overwhelming amount of stuff, just stuff, just junk, the glitter, all the things and the many people falling for the shopping mania made me feel a bit sick to my stomach.  So much, so much amid such poverty.  It’s incomprehensible to me.  I live in a different neighborhood from that shopping mall, and as I said, I don’t shop in places like that very much.

                And yet, in Kansas and here too, there is so much poverty.

                When rents are as high as they are here, then the official, national poverty scale in dollar terms doesn’t mean that much.   You can earn what would be a wonderful income in Kansas City and live in very bad conditions here.  That makes no sense and is one aspect of the disparity in wealth.

                The percentage of people living below the poverty line in Kansas City probably live a bit better than those living above the poverty line but paying the unbelievable rents in Los Angeles.

                Disparity in wealth is about the regional disparities in opportunities as well as about the national disparity in wealth.  I was born in the Midwest, live in the Southwest but also lived in the Southeast, so I am very familiar with the problems in all those areas.

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                • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                  26. well, then everythings peachy, right. so long as the folks in kc "live a bit

                  better” with their poverty wages in kc

                   

                  • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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                    27. It's not peachy, but it is bad here in spite of the incomes and costs that put

                    some very poor people technically above the poverty line but not able to afford basic necessities.

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                    • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                      28. where is 'here'?

                      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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                        29. Los Angeles, very overcrowded but relatively warm, Los Angeles.

                        People come here because it is likely that they can find jobs.  But then, of course, many don’t find jobs.  And housing prices are out of reach for many of the incomes.

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    • Enlightenment (887 posts)
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      8. "Right to work"

      Right to deny employees the right to unionize or argue for any sort of equitable treatment by their employers.

      Yeah, that’s a real “growing our economy” kind of thing.

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    • Omaha Steve (1220 posts)
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      14. Should have read this before I R'd it

      This sucks.

      There are unions and associations for IT people. Like many occupations, most are not willing to organize until it is too late.

      "P.S. please if you get a chanse put some flowrs on Algernons grave in the bak yard.": Flowers for Algernon
      • cascadiance (2805 posts)
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        16. Most of the unions are for hardware engineering, not software…

        Hardware engineering has a field has existed a lot longer as a prominent tech field than software engineering, which mostly started in the 80’s through the 90’s, where hardware engineering got going during earlier times racing for nuclear weapons and the space race during the 60’s, etc.

        IEEE has had a lot of union activity.  ACM (Association for Computing Machinery) which is a major organization for professional software people primarily should have a union SIG or organization affiliated with it, but doesn’t really.

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          19. The IWW & CWA have IT members

          Here is IWW’s page: Communications, Computer, and Software Workers Industrial Union 560: https://iww.org/unions/dept500/iu560

          Who We Are

          We are members of the Industrial Workers of the World who work in the telecommunications, information technology, and software industries. If you’d like to discuss working conditions, or have decided to start organizing to improve things in your workplace, get in touch.

          Like all of the IWW’s constituent unions, we seek to build solidarity between all workers in our industry, regardless of occupation, degree of training, or union membership status. We are adamantly opposed to all forms of discrimination and prejudice, and are keenly aware of the prevalance of sexist and ageist attitudes in our industry.

          Workers in our industry are largely unorganized. We aim to organize workplaces, but also to support the struggles of workers affiliated with other unions. We bring to these struggles an analysis of capitalism and a commitment not just to improving conditions today, but to building a world with economic democracy tomorrow.

          Organizing Department Board Contact

          Marinus Hooft wobblydeveloper [at] gmail.com

          "P.S. please if you get a chanse put some flowrs on Algernons grave in the bak yard.": Flowers for Algernon
          • tiamat (675 posts)
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            20. Thank you.

      • tiamat (675 posts)
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        18. Attitudes of old timey analysts and programmers got in our way.

        Individualists and I’m specialism, and in the 70s, I was guilty, too, and have always believed and supported untions.

      • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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        23. My recs don't always mean that I like the news I am reading.

        Rather they mean that I think the post deserves other views and maybe discussion.  Because a lot of things are horrible but need to be dealt with.  That’s just how I use the rec feature.  I don’t know if I am right to do it that way.

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        • tiamat (675 posts)
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          30. That's how I use it, too; good or bad I rec if I think it should get attention.

          :ohwell: