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    • #382578
      Spud Demon
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      <h3>Justice Department investigating potential presidential pardon bribery scheme, court records reveal</h3>
      <cite class=”el-editorial-source”>(CNN)</cite>The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.

      The filings don’t reveal a timeline of the alleged scheme, or any names of people potentially involved, except that communications between people including at least one lawyer were seized from an office that was raided sometime before the end of this summer.

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/01/politics/presidential-pardon-justice-department/index.html

    • #382609
      djean111
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      More like “here is how this really works, folks”.  Frame of reference.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

      Marc Rich, a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts for tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton’s senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker’s independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.[26] Longtime Clinton supporters and Democratic leaders such as former President Jimmy Carter, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe, were all critical of the Clinton pardon. Carter said the pardons were “disgraceful.”[27]

      Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his 1983 mail fraud and perjury convictions.[19] In 1998 he was under federal investigation for money laundering and tax evasion charges.[20] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton’s brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public.[21][22] Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[23]

      In March 2000, Bill Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, owners of the carnival company United Shows International, for charges of bank fraud from a 1982 conviction. Although the couple had already been released from prison, the prior conviction prevented them from doing business in certain American states. First Lady Hillary Clinton’s youngest brother, Tony Rodham, was an acquaintance of the Gregorys, and had lobbied Clinton on their behalf.[15] In October 2006, the group Judicial Watch filed a request with the U.S. Justice Department for an investigation, alleging that Rodham had received $107,000 from the Gregorys for the pardons in the form of loans that were never repaid, as part of a quid pro quo scheme.[16]

      Cash for pardons – duh.  And the more I even casually look at the Clintons – what the fuck.  I suspect that Trump and his cohorts are kinda amazed that they can’t get away with what the Clintons brazenly did with no real consequences.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

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    • #382710
      Ohio Barbarian
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      We already knew the Trumps were corrupt. And bribable.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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      President Obama broke his own remarkable clemency record, granting an unprecedented 231 commutations and pardons in a single day. Headlines and tweets broadcast the historic tally; on the White House website, a bar graph tracks Obama’s record to date, which has dramatically outpaced that of his predecessors. With a total of 1,176 recipients, the White House boasted, Obama has granted clemency “more than the last 11 presidents combined.”

      The president certainly deserves credit for making clemency a priority before leaving office. His efforts are especially laudable in contrast to the lazy rhetoric of President-elect Donald Trump, who has cluelessly condemned clemency recipients as “bad dudes.” In reality, to use language Trump might understand, all successful applicants go through a process of extreme vetting: only a fraction of people in federal prison are eligible in the first place, and selections rely on a careful review of each candidate’s history and behavior behind bars. A record of violence, including as a juvenile, is disqualifying.

      https://theintercept.com/2016/12/24/obamas-clemency-problem-and-ours/

    • #382765
      djean111
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      Before the latest round of pardons and commutations, Obama had rejected nearly 14,000 clemency applications. On the Department of Justice website, which tracks the rejections, the staggering list of names includes Ferrell Scott, whose application was denied on November 29. Scott is serving life without parole for pot offenses — precisely the kind of draconian sentence clemency exists to address.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #383184
      Spud Demon
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      @djean111 Obama’s nonviolent clemency effort may have been incomplete, but it was not bullshit.  He commuted hundreds of bad sentences.

      I do agree that Clinton perfected the art of pardoning rich folks for money.

      And I’d also like to point out that so far, Trump has not been implicated in this.  What has come out is that there was a scheme of some kind.  We don’t know who was pushing for the deal(s), and it’s quite possible the Trump administration initiated the investigations.

      Trump’s pardons of those who lied to protect him is shameful but not illegal.  I think that should be reined in.  The Repugs will go along with limiting executive power if the current executive is Biden.  Something like “The President does not have the power to pardon himself, and pardons of his associates are only valid after full disclosure of the circumstances.”

      • #383203
        djean111
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        business as usual.  The Clintons grifted millions from doing that, IMO, the same as they grifted millions from what looks like every damn where.  so when I see stuff that as if it  is supposed to get me outraged with a side order of “the Democrats are better”, I react.  IMO Trump is corrupt, but is a pale little piker when compared to the Clintons, and, again IMO, the Democratic party IS the Clintons, in practice.  No matter if the Clintons go away, that die is cast.  The party is corrupt.  And that is the party I am asked to vote for.  I won’t vote GOP, but I will not vote for the Vichy Dems, either.   Also I think Obama did everything he did with an eye to making himself look good while servicing Wall Street and the MIC.  He seems intent on legacy.  Car salesman.   @spuddemon

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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