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  • madfloridian (2074 posts)
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    Caught between Trump lovers and Hillary devotees…

    Since I have been in more contact with old friends on Facebook recently, I have decided there is little attitude difference between their Trump devotion and the unwavering loyalty Hillary’s fan have for her.

    I hide anything on my Facebook page that remotely looks political.  Trust me that is a full time job. The right has fallen head over heels for the take a knee movement.  They sound ready to do physical harm to the athletes who refuse to stand.  For two days my timeline has been filled with their outcries.  I spent more time hiding posts than posting myself.

    I finally got someone to come today to work on a part of my attic that that had been damaged just enough by Irma to be a flooding threat.     We started talking, and he said he was about to explode over all the take a knee stuff.   We both popped up together that it was being used to hide the horrible things going on in Puerto Rico, to hide how inadequate Trump is.  Such a relief to hear someone in this area say something refreshingly true.

    But as outrageous as I find some of my intelligent friends and their fixation on take a knee, I find the vitriol toward the left by Hillary supporters more disgusting.

    There was a thread today at a site with intials SV which was singing the praises of someone who has a whole twitter feed hating Bernie and hating any of us with different skin color.   It’s a long thread with all kinds of vitriol directed toward Bernie, his supporters and those who are like us.  It was an intolerant thread that took pleasure in ridiculing any of us who dared think outside the party line.

    Some of my old friends who carry on about their love of Trump are much kinder to me and others than my old former Democratic acquaintances are now.

    I really know now that I can never go back to the Democratic Party as it is right now, with the Clintons and their supporters taking it in a more rightward direction.  They keep defending whatever the party does, right or wrong.

    I am calling it a nationalistic fervor, the kind that is said to accompany the rise of fascism in a country….accompanied by flag and the bible as quoted by Sinclair Lewis.  Both left and right extreme are guilty of that.

    I’m inspired by Bernie, done with the Democrats,  and not willing to compromise with extremists anymore.

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    If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian

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    • nevereVereven (3521 posts)
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      1. Recommended!

      A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
    • Lorien (1748 posts)
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      2. Boy, can I ever relate

      While I don’t have any friends who are Trump fans, I’ve lost most of my close friends since the election because they were with Her, and I wasn’t. Even though my district went dark blue, they still blame me for Trump because they know that I voted for Stein. I even had people that I greatly admired tell me that there was a “special place in Hell” for me because I don’t toe the party line. Half my neighborhood glares at me, because I wouldn’t take down my Bernie sign until the election was over. I have no family left, so I’ve never felt more alone in my life. I tell them that I could NEVER vote for more wars, fracking, bank bailouts, Wall street deregulation, the surveillance State, Monsanto, etc. etc. That’s all right wing policies; there’s nothing remotely “Left” about the Dems anymore. But of course all I get in response is “well then you must be thrilled that your boy Trump is in office!” I don’t think that they’ve ever stopped to consider how absurd their “reasoning” is. And, of course, we shouldn’t dare complain about the stolen primary, because then we’re a Russian stooge Fox news watching conspiracy theorist. They certainly have never made any attempt to understand where any of us are coming from. It’s not about Bernie: it’s about the POLICIES and how they impact people and the planet. To them it’s all about party loyalty and being “not Trump.”I had one former good friend who I hadn’t seen in over a year tell me that I am “his enemy” now that he’s discovered that I didn’t vote for Her. It’s abnormally unhinged. I don’t remember any of them being as hateful towards BushCo lovers. The vitriol that they spew online makes me worry that they really will want to kill us someday in the not too distant future.

      • xynthee (52 posts)
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        8. That's awful!

        So sorry you have to endure such hatefulness!

      • MistaP (6624 posts)
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        19. well, there's solace in that you're in the 60% that dislikes Her,

        and they’re in the 30% that’s still With Her

        they can only act this way because they’re in a deep-blue urban area: they wouldn’t survive ideologically

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • Cleita (2645 posts)
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      3. On the new Will and Grace, there was a line

      by an SS bodyguard to Jack whom he’s trying to date that it was safer to guard Trump than Obama. The reason given is that the people who hated Obama and who wanted to hurt him love Trump so they are not a threat anymore. What goes unsaid is that the Trump haters are not violent and therefore not a danger to the SS.

      I think the writers might have been wrong about the Hillbots though. In my experience they are as vile as the torch wielding neoNazis. I don’t know any Bernie supporters who want to attack and destroy no matter how disgusted we may be.

      Good piece Madfloridian.

      • madfloridian (2074 posts)
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        5. Thanks. So tired of the hateful rhetoric.

        :hi:

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Fawke Em (4100 posts)
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        28. I won't even watch that show give all the horrible things Debra Messing

        said about Bernie during the primaries.

         

            
    • HIP56948 (3087 posts)
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      4. I'm one of the lucky ones. Most of my friends and aquintances are just …

      …as progressive/anti-Trump/anti-Her Whineness as I am.  That’s not always a good thing as I lose touch with the Dark Side of the country and it’s opinions.

      I DID go over to “that place” once or twice but frankly, I don’t like what I see there.  Reminds me of fighting and arguing.   

      • madfloridian (2074 posts)
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        6. I can only imagine how nice it would be to live among progressive folks.

        I am only beginning to see the deep shade of red here.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Lorien (1748 posts)
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        14. What part of the country do you live in?

        I may have to move there. I live not terribly far MadFloridian now, though in a more liberal area.

        • HIP56948 (3087 posts)
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          16. Sarasota, but not in the main city part. About 2 miles east of the…

          ..celery fields (bird sanctuary)  on Palmer Blvd.   Lot of “birders”  out here.  I suspect they’re not as right-wing as most people?  

    • Enthusiast (10636 posts)
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      7. Recommended to the max!

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • gordyfl (454 posts)
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      9. I would like to see the Democrats gain a majority in Congress so we

      can put them to the test.

      I have plenty of Hillary supporters as friends and relatives. Most are harboring a resentment toward Bernie, and his supporters like me who did not vote for Her.

      Yesterday, again I heard the term “useful idiots” to describe Bernie supporters.

      Regardless how the Dems do in 2018, I can see election 2020 is going to be a doozy!

      • Hobbit709 (3068 posts)
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        10. I refer to the Corporate Dems as "useful idiots"

        I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
      • BillZBubb (2851 posts)
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        12. "Useful idiots"! That's pure projection.

        They are the useful idiots for the corporate masters and the 1%.

        DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
      • slay (529 posts)
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        22. Unless Dems run Bernie or someone like him in 2020 – they will NOT get my vote

        I’ve had it with their shitty 3rd way candidates and how they stand up for Big Banks – but not The People.    2020 might very well hand the Republicans 4 more years if The Democrats don’t get their shit together.

        As for Congress in 2018 – yeah that would be interesting.   Cause The Democrats had The House, The Senate, and The Presidency from 2008-2010 and they didn’t do JACK SHIT – all we got was a semi-crappy health care gift to the insurance companies.

        Ugh – we MUST demand more from The Democrats – I’ve about given up on them.    They will have to truly change to get my vote in 2020 and honestly, I just don’t see that happening.

    • Marym625 (27224 posts)
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      11. On The Daily Radical

      Recommended by members. Totally agree

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • oldandhappy (3907 posts)
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      13. amen!!!!!!!!

      With you 100%.  And you are not between — you and others of us have moved on.  I call myself a raging progressive, but really I just feel free.  There is no space between D and R these days.  We have to get ourselves out of that tight circle and range forth in search of truth and empathy.  I have dumped D and R, kind of like taking out the garbage!
      Wheee!  Get rid of the trash and get rid of the smell.  giggle.

      Invest in people.  Seek TRUTH.
      • Lorien (1748 posts)
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        15. Amen to that!

    • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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      17. Wow. I'm sorry you went through that.

      Of course, I have no Republican friends. I made it a policy not to date them by the time I was out of  college because I’d learned by then that any such relationship was doomed from the start, and that was in the early 1980’s. I hated Reagan and didn’t hide it, not even when I was in the Navy.

      I do have some friends and family who voted for Clinton, and while they may disagree with me on strategy and still fall into the LOTE trap, they all voted for Bernie in the primary. And there just aren’t all that many Republicans around here–there are some, and tend to congregate in certain bars and are thus easy to avoid.

      Of course, I live in Ohio’s 11th Congressional District, where there wasn’t even a Republican candidate on the ballot last year.

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Iwillnevergiveup (716 posts)
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      18. madfloridian

      On a smaller scale, here in “liberal” Los Angeles, I too have experienced some of what you are going through.  One of my best friends (a super smart retired judge) and I have had a guarded relationship since before the election.  He voted for HRC because he genuinely thought she was a great candidate.  When I brought up Wikileaks, he said in a very haughty tone, “Well I guess we can’t discuss politics any more.”  A man who believes in EVIDENCE.  Really?  Another friend I’ve had most of my adult life, a very bright retired social worker, has simply ignored any attempt I make to get in touch with her.  And at my supposedly “liberal” church I quickly learned not to talk politics as the HRC bumper stickers began appearing in the parking lot.  Of course, these are the same folks who think Adam Schiff is the greatest and keep voting him in.  Harrrumphhfff!

      We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.     Native American Proverb
    • leveymg (3571 posts)
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      20. This is very much like 1948 when the Ds split 3 ways

      The Truman Center-Right went on to purge the Old Left who supported former Vice President Henry Wallace.

      Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the U.S. (now on Netflix) does an excellent job showing how the party Big Whigs rigged the 1944 Convention to dump Wallace and elevate the little operative of the Missouri Pendergast Machine.  Something like that is happening in the Democratic Party today, and now it’s Bernie’s supporters who are being purged.  We ended up with McCarthyism, Loyalty Pledges, and the Cold War.  That pattern is being repeated again, as well.

      Fascism – a variation of it wrapped in the flag, can happen here.  It already did.

    • slay (529 posts)
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      21. I'll go ahead and say it – I'm GLAD Hillary lost!

      Not that I wanted Trump to win – but the Clinton/DLC stranglehold on The Democratic Party HAD to end – only problem is – it hasn’t!  Those corrupt bastards are arguably worse now than before!    Until the Dems start representing Real People again – instead of Big Banks and Billionaires – and stop trying to make things about “identity politics” – they can kiss my vote goodbye.   SV is a shithole full of cultists – The Cult of (s)Hillary.  Ugh.

    • chknltl (400 posts)
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      23. SV Lurkers, we drew a line in the sand!

      We have watched as the quality of life in our country has grown more and more wretched. We easily see that the money the citizenry once had to detrmine it’s fate has been stolen away by the corporatists.

      Year after year we elect people to represent us only to have them sell us out to those same corporatists.

      We are done with such betrayals. We are done showing support for needless war in order to feed the M.I.C…we are done feeding the corporatists who are causing global climate change…we are done feeding the banksters, big pharma and the big insurance industries.

      All of these leaches steal the hope we have for the children of this country and our planet. We are done with politicians who would represent the needs of these thieves.

      Hillary represented only yet another betrayal. We knew this because of her record. If you are unable to see that then you are just as blind as those who support Trump….and we are done with you too.

      • VenusFT (20 posts)
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        24. This^

        Whole-hearted agreement

    • Xyzse (3235 posts)
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      25. It really is sad to see their hatefulness, as it is unreasonable.

      When they are celebrating a childish profanity laden meltdown, then calling it brave and laying it out there, one has to question their sanity and ability of discernment.

    • Piperay (649 posts)
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      26. You're totally on point

      I’m in the same place…

      BERNIE SANDERS 2020
      • madfloridian (2074 posts)
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        27. It's an uncomfortable place to be.

        Especially for someone who tends to be outspoken.   There  is contempt for my independent thinking and views from both sides…the Democrats and Republicans.   It’s like walking on eggshells.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • Silver Witch (5662 posts)
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      29. May I suggest getting new friends.

      Seriously I unfriendly people who show their true colors. Life is so much more pleasant not reading hate on Facebook.

      Then I am a weirdo I suppose. My Facebook is to follow people I love and who love me. And we share  many of the same beliefs.

      #Let'sTalkRevolution
    • RealityCheck (988 posts)
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      30. Trump lovers and Hillary devotees

      TRUE!

      There’s also very little difference between Trump and Billary’s goals in life. Something that both supporters secretly droll over in their own fantasies to be …… them.