Cenk gets an Op-Ed on the CIA-Post: Brace for impact, Washington. Progressives are going to win.

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    • #130250
      N2Doc
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      August 28 at 10:45 AM

      Cenk Uygur is the host and founder of “The Young Turks” and chief executive of TYT.

      In 2016, I warned that Donald Trump could win. Right after that year’s Democratic National Convention, with Hillary Clinton peaking in the polls, I made that prediction on ABC News’s “This Week.” Several other panelists, all members of the Washington establishment, laughed. But I stuck with my view, and I told our audience on “The Young Turks” on election night: Buckle up, and brace for impact. Trump is going to be president.

      Now, I have another prediction for the Washington establishment. Brace for impact: Progressives are going to win.

      Why did I think Trump was going to win? Because he was a populist — a fake one, yes, but at least he was savvy enough to fake it. Whereas the Democratic Party thought it was savvy to pick the most status quo, establishment candidate it had ever picked. That was wrong then, and it’s wrong now. That thirst for anti-establishment populism is the same reason I’ve been saying from Day One in this cycle that a progressive is going to win the Democratic nomination and easily defeat Trump.

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      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/28/brace-impact-washington-progressives-are-going-win/?arc404=true

      The caveat here is he considers Warren a ‘progressive’….

    • #130309
      RobertFromNC
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      I am not sure if I agree with his analysis. I think that Bernie is really our only chance, I am not confident that Warren or Gabbard could win. Same goes for Andrew Yang and Marianne Williamson, who are extreme longshots anyway. Also, while I don’t like Biden, I do think that he could win against Trump. I think that we are looking at either Bernie, maybe Biden with an emphasis on the maybe, or 4 more years of Trump.

      I also think that Bernie is only one who has a chance of bringing about a progressive political transformation of the country if elected, shifting the political climate to the left and getting a wave of progressive policies such as Medicare for All enacted. I do like Gabbard, Warren, Yang, and Williamson way better than the rest of the field and I do think that they would be much better as president than the others. I feel they would put us on the right track and that we would get some good things. However, I don’t think that we would get Medicare for All under them, nor would the country be transformed in a progressive way.

    • #130312
      djean111
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      I do not consider Warren a Progressive.  Looks like Cenk will continue carrying DNC Inc. water.  Taking bets on when the Warren is JUST LIKE Bernie and Warren is more electable bullshit starts oozing up from the cracks in the DNC floor.

      • #130317
        closeupready
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        @djean111

        +1.  Cenk is on the oligarch’s payroll.  Thus, Liz Warren now magically becomes a “progressive”, in his vocal opinion to those who watch his TYT (not me).  Ergo, “progressives are going to win”.  LOL

        The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

        • #130332
          Ohio Barbarian
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          @closeupready How is Cenk on the oligarchy’s payroll? He runs an independent media outlet. It’s not like he works for the Washington Post or MSNBC or anything.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #130395
            closeupready
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            WndrCoJeffrey Katzenberg’s mobile-entertainment holding company, has made one of its first investments: It’s taken a stake in TYT Network, one of the top online-video political news networks.

            TYT Network, whose flagship show is The Young Turks, closed $20 million in funding led by growth equity firm 3L Capital with participation from Greycroft, e.ventures and WndrCo.

            The company said it will use the investment to hire additional management execs and creative talent, as well as enhance its subscription-video offering and expand marketing initiatives. TYT also said it expects to tap into the relationships of its new investors — 3L, Greycroft, e.ventures and WndrCo — for new growth opportunities.

            https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/young-turks-jeffrey-katzenberg-wndrco-funding-1202518938/

            Three years ago, Forbes reported he had a net worth of $900 million.  But aside from that oligarchic achievement, who is Jeffrey Katzenberg?

            Katzenberg is a longtime supporter of Barack Obama. Reportedly “smitten” by Obama’s speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, Katzenberg pledged his full support to Obama in 2006 if he decided to run for president.<sup id=”cite_ref-Raising_Funds_for_Obama_25-0″ class=”reference”>[25]</sup> During his campaign, Obama praised Katzenberg for his “tenacious support and advocacy since we started back in 2007.”<sup id=”cite_ref-Connection_26-0″ class=”reference”>[26]</sup>

            Katzenberg has been an avid fundraiser for Obama, doing so while much of Hollywood was still supporting the Clintons. His fundraising prowess has reportedly allowed him to become an “informal liaison” between Hollywood and the White House.<sup id=”cite_ref-Raising_Funds_for_Obama_25-1″ class=”reference”>[25]</sup> Katzenberg co-hosted a fundraiser for President Obama at the home of actor George Clooney in May 2012. Katzenberg said that the event raised almost $15 million, which would make it the most profitable presidential fundraiser in history.<sup id=”cite_ref-Millions_Behind_Obama_27-0″ class=”reference”>[27]</sup> It was reported that Obama campaign officials were not happy about some of the requests that Katzenberg had made. In particular, they were bothered that Katzenberg, who reportedly had made himself “indispensable to Obama”, required that the President spend time talking at each of the 14 tables.<sup id=”cite_ref-Raising_Funds_for_Obama_25-2″ class=”reference”>[25]</sup>

            When the details of Oriental DreamWorks emerged, Jennifer Rubin noted that the Obama Administration’s potential involvement in the deal would not be an issue if not for Katzenberg’s May fundraiser for Obama and his “huge campaign donations.”<sup id=”cite_ref-Biden’s_role_28-0″ class=”reference”>[28]</sup> It was reported that Katzenberg was Obama’s top “bundler,” who, along with Andy Spahn, had collected at least $6.6 million in combined donations for both of Obama’s campaigns.<sup id=”cite_ref-Reliant_on_Big-Money_29-0″ class=”reference”>[29]</sup> In an MSNBC interview about the donations, Nicholas Confessore noted Katzenberg’s desire to build movie studios in China, saying that he would need help from the Obama administration to get this done and that “[e]veryone has interests at stake.”<sup id=”cite_ref-Katzenberg_Want_30-0″ class=”reference”>[30]</sup> Bill Allison of the Sunlight Foundation suggested that Katzenberg’s long history of financial support for Obama may have influenced the movie deal being “fast-track[ed]” by the White House, noting that DreamWorks Animation “never registered to lobby the federal government.”<sup id=”cite_ref-fast-track_31-0″ class=”reference”>[31]</sup>

            It was reported that Obama arrived in Los Angeles on October 7, 2012, where he joined Bill Clinton at Katzenberg’s Beverly Hills home for a private meeting with several deep-pocketed Democratic donors. Obama’s campaign indicated the meeting was to thank supporters, but some members of the campaign finance committee said that it involved the pro-Obama PAC Priorities USA Action. Members of the White House press corps who had traveled to California with Obama were kept in the garage of Katzenberg’s mansion and one reporter called the meeting “unusual”.<sup id=”cite_ref-Powwow_32-0″ class=”reference”>[32]</sup> Katzenberg, who had previously donated $2 million to the pro-Obama PAC Priorities USA Action, donated an additional $1 million in October 2012.<sup id=”cite_ref-Aid_Obama_33-0″ class=”reference”>[33]</sup> He donated $1 million to the Super PAC Priorities USA, which supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential race.<sup id=”cite_ref-34″ class=”reference”>[34]</sup> In June 2016, the Democratic National Committee cyber attacks allege that Katzenberg donated $3 million to the Hillary Clinton campaign, though this information has not been verified.<sup id=”cite_ref-35″ class=”reference”>[35]</sup> In October 2016, he hosted a $100,000-per-person fundraiser at his Beverly Hills residence with President Barack Obama as the main attraction.<sup id=”cite_ref-bhcouriertrafficalertobamatovisitbh_36-0″ class=”reference”>[36]</sup>

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Katzenberg

            Seriously, OB, is this all news to you???

            The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

            • #130407
              Ohio Barbarian
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              @closeupready @incognito

              Yes it is news for me and probably about 250 million other Americans. Well, what can I say? We live in a capitalist society, and TV and internet networks need money to operate. Cenk also describes himself as a capitalist, and he’s honest about his conservative past.

              That doesn’t necessarily make him a villain. He did, and does, criticize Obama and the Vichy Democrats. He helped found Justice Democrats, and they elected some great progressives. I agree with him most of the time, though not all(I agree with Ana, that Rasta Dude, and the Damage Report dude on TYT more than I do Cenk), and TYT has done some critically important work for progressives and progressive issues. I watch quite a bit of TYT, along with other progressive media outlets, and will continue to do so.

              It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

              Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

              • #130422
                closeupready
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                @ohiobarbarian

                You are seeing what you want to see, OB.  I did not call him a ‘villian’, and to be clear, neither did I imply it.

                “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”  Don’t know who first coined that expression, but we’ve all heard it uncountable times.  Cenk rails about corruption in politics, and then goes and takes a $20 M ‘investment’ from super-Hillbot supporter Katzenberg who was one of Hill’s top 20 biggest campaign donors.

                If that doesn’t bother you, if you think Cenk is immune to compromising his work – even just a little – in seeking favor from his biggest investors, then I suppose you believe all these DLC clowns who argue that campaign donations have ZERO impact on the way they vote on legislation.

                As a disclaimer, I would never try to tell people that TYT is meritless.  Sometimes, they are on-point, but I go elsewhere for political commentary (Jimmy Dore probably most of all).  And finally, to be honest, had I been him, I probably would have accepted a $20M investment and made my own attempt to not let it influence me.  Who knows, some people can probably do that – who are any of us to predict the future?  You resolve to keep doing your best work, and hopefully, that happens.

                The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

                • #130487
                  Ohio Barbarian
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                  @closeupready

                  First you imply that I put words in your mouth when I said Cenk was not necessarily a villain. I meant no such thing. Then you put words in my mouth by implying I assume that Cenk is immune from being influenced by his investors, and that I must therefore believe all of the DLC clowns who take corporate donations when they say it doesn’t influence them.

                  That’s uncalled for, and it’s mildly annoying. You should know me better than that. I’ll keep Cenk’s financiers in mind from now on, and thank you for pointing them out, but I’m not going to conclude that Cenk is just another corporate troll when most of the time what he says indicates he isn’t one of those.

                  It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

                  Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #130398
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            He took $20 million dollars  from OLIGARCH Hillbot, Katzenberg.

            Jeffrey Katzenberg’s WndrCo Invests in TYT Network as Part of $20 Million Round

            WndrCoJeffrey Katzenberg’s mobile-entertainment holding company, has made one of its first investments: It’s taken a stake in TYT Network, one of the top online-video political news networks.

            TYT Network, whose flagship show is The Young Turks, closed $20 million in funding led by growth equity firm 3L Capital with participation from Greycroft, e.ventures and WndrCo.

            The company said it will use the investment to hire additional management execs and creative talent, as well as enhance its subscription-video offering and expand marketing initiatives. TYT also said it expects to tap into the relationships of its new investors — 3L, Greycroft, e.ventures and WndrCo — for new growth opportunities.

            Jeffrey Katzenberg’s WndrCo Invests in TYT Network as Part of $20 Million Round

      • #130421
        Haikugal
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        I expect nothing less. His idea of a progressive and mine are very, very different.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

    • #130313
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      IMO: Warren was bought by Hillary Clinton’s New Democratic Party and Stake holding Oligarchs in winter 2016.  No need for small donors to give to Warren over the next four years as every thing Warren does and says is DNC related, not progressive.   Read her recent history over the past 4 years.  Years ago, Liz was an established Republican.  She wants to moralize Oligarchs in their markets not level the playing field with We the People in charge.

      How did Pocahontas serve White Men?  She must surly be a joke to Trump and the Deep Force.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/16/how-pocahontas-myth-slur-props-up-white-supremacy/

      Liz is the very opposite of Bernie.  Liz wants the rich to get richer, she herself included.  For Warren, its about the new HerLiz.

      2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #130319
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      It’s a decent analysis, IMHO, and certainly describes the current situation accurately. As for next year…I’m not so sure Warren could beat Trump. He’ll pound her on the Pocahontas thing and, unfortunately, it might even work.

      Why? Warren simply doesn’t have a base as big as Bernie’s. She’s got comfortable white liberals, but that’s not enough to win the Electoral College. She would also have to get new or lapsed voters from working class voters of all ethnicities and from millennials, and I’m not sure she can. Bernie definitely can.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #130333
      Charles
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      Cenk founded the Justice Democrats and Wolf-Pack. It’s really sad to read some of the comments here…..

      Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

      • #130418
        Haikugal
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        @charles   Why? Cenk IS a centrist Democrat which should be pointed out by those who feel that we need to move further left.   The entire ‘any dem will do’ doesn’t work in the long term and this site supports socialist and democratic socialist policy. That isn’t to say he hasn’t done some good things just that he hasn’t gone far enough.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

        • #130433
          Charles
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          @haikugal

          Do you consider the Justice Democrats a centrist organization? What about Wolf-Pack?

          AOC is a Justice Democrat. Last I checked Justice Democrats was very progressive.

          Cenk has supported Bernie all along and has been very positive in his coverage of him. Cenk has spoke out on behalf of Bernie numerous times including holding rallies outside the recent  primary debates for him. Now we have claims that he’s a moderate carrying water for the DNC and beholden to oligarchs.

          TYT is working to have a Presidential Town hall on climate change since the DNC chose not to.

          Cenk is promoting Justice Democrats that support Medicare for All and are running on Bernie Sanders issues.

          Apparently that’s not good enough and will still get you labeled a DNC water carrying oligarch beholden sellout. Yikes….

           

          Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

          • #130496
            djean111
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            @charles

            If Cenk pushes Warren as being as progressive as Bernie, then for me that negates everything else he does, as far as caring what he has to say.  And everything else Cenk does is nothing I would allow to influence my opinion of Warren.   On the other hand, it is not like I was looking to pundits or other posters in order to decide who to support.  It is just interesting as hell to watch the choreography.  At absolutely no point was I going to think hey, if Cenk says Warren is a Progressive, she must be a Progressive.  Because she is not.

            • #130509
              Charles
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              @djean111

              Cenk has always said Bernie is a better choice. Cenk held rallies for Bernie outside the primary debates. He’s laid out his issues with Warren where he disagrees.

              And once upon a time being for Medicare for all, a living wage, against the TPP, for breaking up the big banks, for reinstating Glass Steagall, advocating for debt free college, etc etc were considered progressive positions. Warren is for these all things and has stood up for them.

              Warren might not be as progressive as Bernie but she’s a far cry from the corporate shill that many claim her to be.

               

               

              Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

              • #130582
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                Warren is not all-in on M4A. If she was, she wouldn’t have written a policy to IMPROVE OBAMACARE. She’s not campaigning FOR M4A. She wants to improve the ACA! No thank you!

                She voted for the Trump $700 billion military murder money budget.

                She didn’t speak out on the abuse and brutality at Standing Rock until Obama said something first.

                She had the perfect opportunity to show her Progressive creds in the 2016 primary by endorsing the only Progressive in the race, but she chose to screw him over instead.

                The woman calls herself a  Capitalist, for crying out loud. The very system we’re fighting with everything we have.

                Warren is no Progressive.

    • #130334
      Haikugal
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      Precisely!

      The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

    • #130345
      incognito
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      While I agree that Progressives are going to win, I passionately disagree that Warren is a Progressive. She’s NOT a Progressive. Not even close….. But they sure are pushing that false label to make people believe she is. Pathetic.

    • #130402
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      There appears to be a concerted effort afoot to characterize Sanders and Warren as two peas in a pod. The “concerted” aspect of this worries me.

    • #130417
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      @ohiobarbarian

      I look forward to your comparison. With reservations, I like Warren. She’s done a number of admirable things. But she’s no Bernie.

      People can evolve. In fact, that’s a good thing, and I don’t want to criticize or discourage evolution when the change is genuine. That said, there are aspects of Warren’s recent past that I find worrisome: 1) By her own admission, she was voting Republican into the 90s, which was long after that party had gone off the rails. 2) Unlike Tulsi, she didn’t have the guts to stick up for Bernie in 2016, even though based on her public statements at the time he seemed like the logical person for her to endorse.

      Here’s a Twitter-style version of the above-cites misgivings:

      I’m worried about Warren for two reasons: guts and principles.

       

      • #130919
        RobertFromNC
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        “I’m worried about Warren for two reasons: guts and principles.”

        I agree with your quote about Warren and those are my two reservations with her. I would also add that I simply haven’t seen the type of leadership skills and traits from her that I feel is necessary to get a progressive agenda enacted into law, especially in this political environment, nor has she been nearly the leader within the progressive movement that Bernie has been (in fact she has shunned getting involved with progressive organizations like Justice Dems and not endorsed progressives running in the primaries). Bernie’s list of legislative accomplishments is also much bigger than Warren’s.

        Now with that being said, I also don’t think that Tulsi Gabbard is anywhere near Bernie Sander’s level either, not even close. Yet many of Warren’s harshest critics are some of Tulsi’s biggest fans and have her as their number 1 or close number 2 behind Bernie.  For the record, I actually do like both, but I would much rather see them in the cabinet of a Sander’s administration than behind the oval office chair, at least at first anyway.

        I am saying this as someone who was hoping that someone else would have taken the reigns and stepped up in the way that Bernie has for the 2020 election, but I just haven’t seen the evidence that anyone else has.

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      @robertfromnc , I agree with your assessment.

      And although I like Tulsi, I think it would be a huge leap of faith to put her in the Oval Office at this point.

      Our system corrupts all but a few as time goes on. It rarely happens right away, but the pressure and temptation can be difficult to resist. Heck, the woman who once started Mothers Against Drunk Driving was ultimately hired as a lobbyist for the liquor industry. As I said, it happens to a surprising, depressing number of people. People who enter the fight with the noblest intentions are still vulnerable to being bought off. That’s what makes Bernie so extraordinary. And that’s what makes it too early to pass final judgment on Tulsi or even the members of the Squad that I admire so much.

      As for Warren, the irony is that she memorably told an anecdote about the corruption of Hillary. And if she isn’t careful she could wind up following in Her footsteps.

    • #131029
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      One big difference between “progressive candidates” Bernie and Warren, at least in corporate media, is that one has been getting ripped to shreds, slandered, lied about, smeared, ridiculed, you name it, for the last 4 years, and one hasn’t. If they are so similar, then why would that be?

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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