Claims of ‘voter fraud’ have a long history in America. And they are false

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      eridani
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      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/04/trump-voter-fraud-america-false

      Falsely claiming voter fraud is a tradition nearly as old as American democracy itself. Take, for example, early 19th-century New Jersey. Under the state’s original constitution, some women had the right to vote, and some politicians (namely those of the Federalist party) felt they would be more likely to win elections if those rights were taken away. But stripping eligible voters of their rights for purely partisan reasons was unseemly, even by 1800s standards, so ambitious lawmakers came up with an excuse. Men, they charged, were casting their ballots, slipping into petticoats, and then voting a second time. The only way to prevent this gender-bending fraud was to eliminate women’s voting rights entirely.

      As a logical argument, the anti-fraud case for disenfranchising women made little sense. But logic was never the point. In 1807, aided by their theoretically principled excuse for their blatantly partisan power grab, the New Jersey legislature ended their state’s experiment in women’s suffrage.

      As more Americans won voting rights on paper, and the two-party system became more entrenched in our political process, voter fraud remained a convenient excuse for disenfranchising eligible voters. In the 1830s, on the theory that cities couldn’t be trusted to hold honest elections, Pennsylvania passed a voter registration law that applied to the city of Philadelphia and nowhere else. “Although the proclaimed goal of the law was to reduce fraud,” writes Alexander Keyssar in The Right to Vote, “opponents insisted that its real intent was to reduce the participation of the poor, who were frequently not home when assessors came by.”

      Not surprisingly, false claims of fraud also played an important role in propping up segregation. In 1959, Washington parish, Louisiana, “purged” its voter rolls. Local officials claimed they were merely remove illegally registered names from the rolls. In fact, they purged 85% of the parish’s African American voters. This proved too audacious even for the Jim Crow era, and a federal court overturned the parish’s purge. But in most cases, courts have given lawmakers the benefit of the doubt. So long as they can plausibly claim to be fighting fraud – or more accurately, so long as they can’t be proven not to be fighting fraud – legislators can pass bills restricting access to the ballot, even for eligible voters, and even if the voters affected are clearly more likely to belong to one party than the other.

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      The only “voter fraud” on a big scale that I can remember is the Democratic Party changing affiliations and outright deleting voter registrations in New York, to cheat Bernie.  Although I believe that is just the tip of the iceberg.  Especially when the Democratic Party outright says it can do anything it wants because it is a privately owned corporation.  IMO nothing is scarier than an entity that believes it has a RIGHT to cheat, in order to get the results it wants.  Like, say, California.  And even if stuff like that was laid bare, how many Democrats would just fucking shrug and say the end justifies the means?  I bet most of them, at this point.  Whilst accusing the GOP of the same thing.  I think both parties are shit-stains.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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      Pam2
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      @djean111

      The throwing people off the rolls I would also call election fraud. Voter fraud is fraud done by the voter, such as voting twice, voting under a false name etc.

      I think Trump is mainly claiming election fraud isn’t he? Some kind of miscounting or dirty tricks by Dem poll workers?

       

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        @pam2 – yes, Trump is claiming election fraud; whether true or not, sounds like the usual DNC dirty tricks.  No winner here, at least for us people.  What we “won” was neocon Vichy Dem knees firmly on our necks.  I think I can hear Pelosi cackling with glee all the way down here in Florida.  Truly no good choice this time, no lesser evil.  IMO, etc.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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          He says election workers cheated him, ballots were modified, ballots were thrown away, voting machines were rigged, people voted twice, voted where they did not live, were improperly registered for a variety of reasons, etc. He says dead people and animals voted. He’s alleging election fraud, voter fraud, and a combination of the two.

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      Here’s a memorable clip from 2016.


      @djean111
      @hasslecat

      • #383735
        djean111
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        And this is why any Democrat who whines about election fraud and/or “democracy’ can fuck the fuck off.  IMO the astonished and unhinged hysteria when Hillary lost in 2016 was because the election rigging and cheating did not take the Midwest into account; IMO the Democratic Party did not and does not give a shit about what their NAFTA did to people and what their TPP will do to people.  So they assumed the Midwest would fall in line like sheep.  California was supposed to be Hillary’s crowning mandate “You like me!  You really LIKE me!” moment, and there was no plan B.

        I am almost 75, and I doubt I will see a decent person as president or a decent party in power, in my lifetime.  Or decent candidates from either the Democratic Party or the GOP for president, and precious few decent people for Congress; a few progressives slip through, but they are really just ornamental fund-raising slots, they don’t really influence what happens. IMO, etc., etc.  Oh, well, they are great sources for campaign pandering rhetoric from Vichy Dems, there is that.  @pam2

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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