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    Clapper called Trump tonight to tell him dox were not US intel community product

    Link: https://twitter.com/nytmike?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

     

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    • Mom Cat (6658 posts)
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      1. Is Clapper worried about heads rolling?

      If I were Trump coming in, I would fire the heads of a lot of the “intelligence ” agencies right off the bat and dig down deep to root out pockets of people involved in the sabotage.

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      • id-entity (2015 posts)
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        4. Clapper himself has already resigned

        from his role as Obama political nomination. Interestingly, also Clapper is a former DIA director, who served in that position before Flynn, from his background a military spook, not a CIA spook, married to a NSA spook.

        Lately he’s been more or less publicly siding with CIA and current admin. You and him probably share the same question, what is the Flynn-Trump DIA admin going to do with CIA?

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        • sabrina (5958 posts)
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          12. Clapper is a Bush loyalist, a former CEO airc, of Booze Allen, a liar as we saw

          when he lied to Congress. Obama kept him on as he did many of Bush’s appointees. We expected him to clear these Bush people out, but even after being caught lying to Congress, Obama did not fire him as he should have.

          Clapper had a conflict of interest from the beginning. No doubt he will go back to his old job as in the Security Business and will be richly rewarded for pushing policies that enrich the ‘security’ business.

          It makes me sick to think that the man we elected to change all this, did the exact opposite. I wouldn’t believe Clapper if he told me the sky was blue, yet Obama kept him there which more about Obama than what we already knew about Clapper.

           

           

          • id-entity (2015 posts)
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            15. Now we know

            that Obama got the list for most of his cabinet from a WS bank, before any elections. And for his national security team, same’o same’o. Very nasty and very stupid people. For whom Obama fronted.

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            • sabrina (5958 posts)
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              28. That's the way our rigged system works it appears, no matter who gets to the WH.

              They have to go along with the real rulers or they would most likely face dire consequences.

              Why I think we should put far less energy into the WH run and focus totally on Congress, replacing pretty much all of them because as we saw in the Primaries, there were just a handful who sided with the people over Wall St.

              • id-entity (2015 posts)
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                30. So far

                Trump seems to retain some aspects of an independent outsider, judging by the opposition and where it’s coming from. That’s most interesting aspect about the phenomenon, for an observer.

                As for Congress, I don’t believe state worship in any form is good for us.

                 

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                • sabrina (5958 posts)
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                  31. Not interested in worship of any kind. These people forget who they work for

                  So I’m for replacing almost every last one of them with people who work for us. The WH has been bought, Trump may or may not be an outsider, but regardless, if he doesn’t get in line, he won’t be there long, the WH is owned by the Corporations.

                  Congress however while most of the current crop ARE owned, can be taken back by the people.

                  • id-entity (2015 posts)
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                    32. In terms of Political Philosophy

                    I’m not a fan of “representative” oligarchy (demarchic lottery would be more representative than vote). Nor of dictatorship of majority.

                    Congress is owned, indeed, and the real power is the owner, which is what? Obviously, dollar and the way dollar is created and controlled, by Fed etc. banksters and financial terrorists.

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                    • sabrina (5958 posts)
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                      34. Who's talking about representative oligarchy? That's what we have

                      NOW, we are talking about changing that so the people we elect as Reps actually know who their bosses are and don’t make the mistake of taking money from people who will still try to buy them. Soon as they do that, they should be replaced. Let them get a job with these billionaires, but not in our Govt.

                      Bernie showed how it can be done. Now all we have to do is to do it.

                      • id-entity (2015 posts)
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                        35. Liberal "democracy"

                        aka parliamentary system. It’s plutocratic and kleptocratic oligarchy by design, not ‘democracy’ by any de facto meaning.

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    • Flygirl (2169 posts)
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      2. This all seems like 8th grade school boy shit!!

      This is the soon to be future President of this country and an intelligence school yard bullies  having temper tantrums!

      Its so childish its beyond words!

      These are grown men?? Really??

      According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
      • id-entity (2015 posts)
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        5. Boys

        DIA vs CIA over drone terrorism, Syria regime change (for whom? AQ???) are real issues though, issues that kill and hurt.

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    • TRex (1814 posts)
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      3. Trump is a fucking idiot, he did not even see where the intel came from

      before yapping in public! He just assumed it was the CIA. He literally speaks fake news.

      I never promised you a rose garden.
      • sadoldgirl (1443 posts)
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        6. Agreed that Trump does not know the ropes, but he is not an idiot.

        He distrusts the intelligence communities, and rightfully so, if you

        care to look at their history.He is also very clever to tweet a lot, because

        a lot of people don’t trust the M$M anymore, and thus believe that he speaks

        directly to them. Is it manipulation? Of course, that is his character like it or

        not (most politicians are doing the same thing btw). Yes, I think he is fighting

        the intel community as well as the media, which sounds to me like a very

        dangerous thing to do, especially if you don’t know the ins and outs.

        • TRex (1814 posts)
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          7. I've read the CIA already has it out for him.

          He needs to calm down and not go off half cocked. He is about to be the most powerful man on the planet. The M$M helped create Trump, I guess they are about to find out what it is like to be a Trump employee.

          I never promised you a rose garden.
          • sadoldgirl (1443 posts)
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            11. It is kind of weird, that everybody in the establishment is out to get

            Trump, when actually Pence is the far greater danger as far as I know.

            He seems to be so much more reasonable than the Donald, but that

            ain’t the truth. And no, I believe that you are wrong. It is the deep

            state, who is in charge, not the POTUS anymore. The fact that the votes

            went to the non ideological Trump shows the shadow government that

            he may cause trouble for them, hence all the produced uproar and

            fight against him. He may not survive it, but then we will have Pence!

            • TRex (1814 posts)
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              16. I don't think Trump realizes he is not in charge yet.

              What if he balks and decides to stay with the bombastic statements and ignores traditional agencies? The Deep States been in charge since at least Nixon, yet we have transparency that they didn’t have back then.

              Pence is another Ted Cruz…blech.

              I never promised you a rose garden.
        • Sadie (3064 posts)
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          9. Agreed

          he is walking where no POTUS has been before, except for JFK.  I believe we are going to see something big happen to attempt to halt his inauguration.

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
          • avaistheone1 (921 posts)
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            14. That is absolutely chilling.

            I think that would be a catastrophe for this country.  When I try to think about who and why someone would do such a thing it makes me sick.  I was about 10 years of age when JFK was assassinated  by the CIA.  I know Trump is no John Kennedy, but such a repeat murderous undermining of our democracy is unspeakable.

             

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            • Sadie (3064 posts)
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              17. I pray that I am wrong

              but the fight is so out and in front of the entire world.  Do you think the CIA likes to be exposed?  I don’t.

                Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
              • em77 (2507 posts)
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                20. I can't even think like that. The last

                thing I want is another JFK episode.

              • avaistheone1 (921 posts)
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                25. I hope you are wrong too.

                But the CIA hasn’t attempted to keep this private.  It seems they themselves kept commenting in the media regarding Trump’s lack of acceptance of their findings.

                Okay the CIA may have the power, but I hope there are good factions among them who would never let that happen,

                 

                 

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                • bernintheusa (1249 posts)
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                  29. Good factions in the CIA didn't save either Kennedy. Or King.

                  imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
            • sadoldgirl (1443 posts)
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              22. Come on now, by now they have different methods. However,

              the fact that he brought his own security team, tells its own story.

          • goodgirl (2183 posts)
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            24. I said as much to my husband today.

            What I think might happen is a “heart attack” or a “stroke”.  And I hate that I have become this cynical but I have.  I just don’t think they will be so blatant as to shoot him, because they know most people don’t believe the lone nut stuff with regard to JFK.

            Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
        • FanBoy (7071 posts)
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          10. fighting maybe — but hes got some big guns behind him in the shadows imo

          he’s not a courageous person — ballsy maybe but not actually courageous

          • sadoldgirl (1443 posts)
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            13. I agree totally. I think he has the corporations with him at least.

            • FanBoy (7071 posts)
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              18. probably *some* corporations. or their owners.

        • Sadie (3064 posts)
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          33. I believe the same

          he is on to what has been happening, but he is not going to be able to handle the CIA especially with one of Hillary’s best buds leading the way.  They are not his friends.

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
      • avaistheone1 (921 posts)
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        8. Easy to say he is an idiot, but to look at what he has said and what he has

        done so far, his actions have been quite smart.

        For example,  Trump has made public statements as well as contacted Putin directly that he wants to have a positive relationship with Russia.  Putin communicated back to Trump he wants to have that kind of relationship.  After the election Trump stated hat he will not support the TPP the TransPacific Partnership.  Just yesterday he stated he will renegotiate NAFTA.  Today Trump said the pharmaceutical industry of “getting away with murder” and said that he would change the way the country bids on drugs to bring prices and spending down.

        There’s more but I think you get the picture.  If Trump is an idiot than I think he should establish an idiot’s party because it looks like an idiot’s party may be more successful and getting things done for ordinary rank and file Americans.

        BTW this message is brought to you by a life-long Democrat, and a Bernie supporter who voted for Jill Stein

          I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst.   Gore Vidal      
        • FanBoy (7071 posts)
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          19. except he's a known liar, and has made lots of statements, some self-contra-

          dictory.

          nothing he’s said predicts what he’ll actually do, imo.

          better predictor = the folks he’s appointing to his team, and it looks like another shit-storm for the working class to me.

          not that I expected any different from anyone but Bernie.

          • sadoldgirl (1443 posts)
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            23. I dis agree a bit about that. Remember that Pence was head of the

            transition team. I  bet you that anybody, who did not fit into

            Pence’s frame could not succeed. Reminds me in the way of Reagan.

            Only much later it turned out that H.W Bush was really in charge, and

            not good old Ronny. We may see the same here, and much better hidden

            than Cheney’s role.

            • FanBoy (7071 posts)
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              27. why is pence so important? nothing i've read about him indicates that

              he is a source of independent power

              I think anyone who’d been paying attention at the time could have seen that the bush family had been connected to the highest levels of power for several generations, as opposed to the parvenu Reagan — and that bush had intel associations and strange lacuna in his record

               

              I also keep hearing about cheney being the real power behind bush jr — again, not seeing it.  seeing others behind bush jr, not functionaries like cheney

              I think these are distractions — fact is, we don’t really know who the real powers are — we can’t guess, but we don’t know — CAUSE THEY DON’T WANT US TO.  WOULD YOU?

              It makes total sense to have a class of people to run things so you can hide and hold power

               

               

        • em77 (2507 posts)
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          21. This Bernie supporter agrees with you.

          • avaistheone1 (921 posts)
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            26. ^5 em77

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