Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

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    • #354142
      JonLP
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      A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.

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      But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.

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      Nursing homes 

      Hitting up assisted-living facilities and “helping” the elderly fill out their absentee ballots was a gold mine of votes, the insider said.

      “There are nursing homes where the nurse is actually a paid operative. And they go room by room by room to these old people who still want to feel like they’re relevant,” said the whistleblower. “[They] literally fill it out for them.”

      https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

      I have skepticism because it was from the NY Post and I’m sure this will spread around right wing circles as part of their mail balloting fraud narrative but there is enough here that is worth posting & discussing. The tactics seem plausible and the operative points to real world examples. What is odd is the NY Post describes him as a “Bernie Sanders die-hard” which I think it is odd a diehard would even be doing this in the first place but his reasons for speaking out are he wants to see the security problems with mail-in balloting fixed.

    • #354146
      HassleCat
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      It takes hundreds of votes to tip an election. Too many people would have to be in on it, too many people paid off, too many secrets to keep. It doesn’t make sense.

    • #354152
      Babel 17
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      When I was at the local Sanders field office in 2016 there was a veteran volunteer organizer there who seemed to have a lot of connections, for example he was able to reach out to the union locals. The Democratic party is extremely well organized in NY, especially in NY city, and he told me that Hillary was going to cream us in the nursing homes because they were used to Democratic party volunteers coming in and, in a friendly manner, either persuade the seniors to vote for the establishment choice in the primary, or just use their bemused state as a way to help them fill out their ballots. It can get lonely and boring in a nursing home, and I imagine a pro team of vote getters would know how to exude charm and humor, win over the staff, and be able to get away with liberties.

      Not really new news in New York, and there were stories in the past of upset children of nursing home residents finding out from mom and/or dad that they thought they might have voted for some nice man, while their kids know they never would have voted for that person when they possessed all their faculties. That’s in regard the general election, for the primary it would have to have been Clinton volunteers (many of whom were connected to the party and thus with experience doing this kind of work) going in to the nursing homes.

      It’s sort of funny to imagine their pitch, but also cringe worthy. Crucifix in the room? Bring up Hillary’s supposed faith. Upscale nursing home? Mention that Bernie is a Socialist.

      Nursing homes are just that, homes, and people in their 80s and 90s shouldn’t have strangers that they didn’t explicitly invite in coming around to gaslight them. I suppose the nursing homes might have good intentions as they want to keep their clients connected to the world, but politics is cutthroat, and nursing homes don’t have the resources to monitor unscrupulous people who are paid to work for Trump, or Biden.

       

    • #354156
      djean111
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      It does not take hundreds of people.  There are not that many people involved.   All it takes is some people on a mission, with the backing of their party.   I still think of those helpful Democratic women’s groups in California, tasked with combing through voter rolls and finding out who has not voted lately.  My thought is oh, I bet they voted this time, whether they knew it or not.  People who do not vote do not check online to see if they voted.  IMO.  As a Floridian, my confidence in vote-by-mail is zero.  Same for in-person, really. Also, if a Republican said this, people would be all “I knew it!”.  The cheating and rigging is bipartisan.  There are just selective outrage buttons being pushed.

    • #354187
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Results in the Democratic primary were off by 11% from both exit polls and recent polls in every state. The UN standard for election fraud is 4%. 11>4, therefore there was probably election fraud on a massive scale, but the media didn’t report on it, Sanders didn’t even squeak in protest, and most Americans don’t want to believe it even if they think about it, because it means their democracy is already dead.

      I don’t know exactly how the Democrats did it, but I am convinced they did do it, probably with Republican officials looking the other way because they didn’t want to see a Sanders candidacy, either.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #354211
      NV Wino
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      2. Election fraud, not voter fraud. Voter fraud is where Debbie Wassermann Schultz votes in a different county from which she lives. Election fraud is when one entity manipulates multiple votes.

      3. Yes it happens. But probably not on the scale indicated, and it’s probably divided equally between the two major parties.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #354772
      doh1304
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      and one year he covered the precinct at the city’s biggest nursing home. He said that people were being wheeled in on gurneys with a (Democratic) machine (Diane Feinstein) campaign worker holding a filled out ballot. The person was normally alive but not conscious.

      The idea that a ballot stuffer was a “Bernie Sanders die hard” is not only absurd, but would never get past machine operatives. Nice try tailgunner.

    • #354829
      eridani
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      Hand count audits in King County, WA are always withing 0.01% of the scanner totals.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #355141
      doh1304
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      the “voter” was not the person who filled out the ballot, the (Feinstein) operative was.  The “voter” was not capable of voting, he was just incapable of reporting that the ballot had been forged. When Willie Brown was mayor he was accused of sending operatives to the city housing projects to remind people that they could face eviction because of some “problem” – but the operative would also put campaign literature in the mailbox – everyone knew which candidates and which propositions the mayor supported. One election he made the “mistake” of calling the final vote margin on a proposition that he supported – and he was only 4 votes off. The problem was that he called it 10 minutes before the polls closed.

      It seems unlikely that such fraud could possibly be enough to swing an election – there aren’t that many Alzheimer’s patients in a vegetative coma – but that’s the point – there are enough stories to obscure the real fraud. And by the way, Seattle is not San Francisco.

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      salemcourt
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