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    conflicted about women's march…

    I live in the D.C. suburbs & will be hosting some women from the west coast who will be here to march Saturday.  I cannot get past that some of the march celebrities who opposed Bernie Sanders – like Steinem, Dolores Huerta, Cher, Katy Perry, etc. – will be cheerleading it on.  I am totally in support of womens’ rights, especially pro-choice, but I feel like I don’t want to attend the march because of the political slant it seems to have…What do other women (or men?) on here think…?

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    • jwirr (2929 posts)
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      1. That would also be my feeling. I cannot be there but I do not want to go to any

      Hillary event.

      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        2. Yes!

        I really owe my West Coast friend some serious hospitality but I know what a Hillary fan she was.  I will have to practice keeping my mouth shut before Saturday.  And I still haven’t decided how to explain to these folks my reluctance to attend the march.  I have been to multiple anti-war and pro-choice marches down there but this one I’m going to have to miss…I guess…

        • The Crone (2778 posts)
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          56. Do you need to keep your mouth shut?

          Perhaps you do.

          But in that event, do you have a Tee Shirt that reads, “So where were you when the DNC Convention  put a loser in the top spot?”

          Because for Pete’s sake, where were all these committed, earnest, civil rights loving women when the Democratic Convention organizers were Brown Shirting Bernie delegates?

          "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
          • Marylander (379 posts)
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            61. Amen to that, Crone!

    • Peacebird (809 posts)
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      3. My thought as well. They smeared Bernie & now attempt to co opt

      our revolution. Not going.

      Also it smacks of sore losership to me.

      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        4. Yes – I can't help thinking this will turn into a bizarre Hillary love fest –

        including hundreds of boring testimonials and faux hugs…

        • Mom Cat (6600 posts)
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          17. That is my fear too! I will not give one ounce of my precious energy to

          any gathering that even tangentially supports Her$elf. $he and her attack dogs viciously conspired to destroy Bernie and his supporters. You can take$hillary  and her pit bull Brock and all the limousine liberal sellouts and let them have their own faux party. You can count me out!

               NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
          • ronRonnie (312 posts)
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            20. X 1000

        • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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          33. yeah, what are the chances….

    • kishcreek (361 posts)
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      5. No focus, no "this is what we want".

      In my experience, a march/rally/action needs a very specific goal. “Stop the Pipeline.” “No fracking in our State Parks” “$15 minimum wage.” Whatever.

      This march is unfocused and uncoordinated, imo, with no other message than “We hate you Trump, and didn’t vote for you.” That is not enough to get me out in the street–I need more specific reasons and goals.

      To be honest, I’m kind of ticked off by my nearest and dearest female relatives, who couldn’t find the where-with-all to rally for actual goals, like those I mentioned above, but somehow are rousing themselves to march for some vague, undefined goal on Saturday. Sure would’ve enjoyed their company fighting for real goals.

      If it makes ’em feel good, so be it. But this lady won’t be joining them.

      • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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        18. That has been my problem with this march from the outset.

        It claims to support equality, which is great. It claims that it is going to ‘send a message’ to the new administration, which is nice – but what is it going to accomplish?

        Trump is a shallow, venal, clueless git – on a good day – and that doesn’t translate to anyone who would give a flying fuck what ten or a hundred or a million women gathering together to shake their fists and express their angst want.

        Marches are cool – they make you feel involved and powerful for a little while. Then you get home and realize that what seemed like a life-changing event for you was no more than a piss in a teacup to the people you were marching ‘against’.

        I would have rather have seen these women organize a national general strike – for at least a couple of days. Or arrange a silent sit-in on the steps of the Capitol, a la the Bonus Army – with a promise to stay until they back down from their sick agenda. Are those absolute solutions? Of course not, but they do then to get the attention of the corporate tools more effectively than a rally with a bunch of people wearing pink cat ears, singing songs, and shouting slogans.

        • Marylander (379 posts)
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          23. Pink Cat Ears

          Yes, the pu**y hats – arghhhhh!  Maybe I’m too old to get the humor/wit about those hats, but the idea turns my stomach. Trivializing & stupid.

          • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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            25. Just more silly stuff.

            With some sale proceeds going to PP – again, nice (though I am still mightily irked with their leadership for backing Hillary instead of staying neutral) but what’s the point?

            When I was in grad school, one of my professors would always ask “what’s the point?” when we suggested an historical topic of interest. Not being dismissive, but making us consider the relevance of the event in the wider scope of history. What impact did it have, be it good or bad? Was it a broad or narrow impact? Did it have a goal – and if so, did it accomplish that goal?

            When I look at events like this one, I find it difficult to imagine a student twenty years from now answering those questions in a very positive way, primarily because I don’t see the ‘goal’ as stated as something that is going to be reached through this venue. I know that the argument then becomes ‘but it makes people aware and brings them together – they will continue to work on the goal’. True, to some extent – but that is still moving the goal posts from ‘goal: as stated’ to a completely different goal.

            I know I sound terribly critical – I guess I am, because I do think there are better methods – but I am not critical of the individuals who truly believe that this event actually has a point. I wish them well.

          • Piperay (462 posts)
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            55. Yah, it turns my stomach too. I can't see myself wearing a ridiculous thing

            like that and trying to explain the reasoning for it. :puke: It seems demeaning to me.

            BERNIE SANDERS 2020
        • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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          34. I just recently read a claim about who funded the bonus army —

          but now I can’t remember!  a 1%er.  i’ll try to find it again.

          • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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            40. Funded?

            I’ve never read that they were funded by anyone. Hell, some of those men walked hundreds of miles to get there.

            The one-percent, such as they were at the time, had little interest in the plight of the poor. Hoover, unsurprisingly, handled the situation badly. Congress stalled and MacArthur showed the early signs of just how much of a dick he was . . . but the veterans weren’t tools of the 1%. They were desperate men asking for some consideration from the government they had served.

            • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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              41. now i'm thinking it was coxey's army (1894), same thing even earlier.

              if I knew how to search jpr it would help….

              • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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                42. Okay, that was a backed march.

                Coxey was a businessman – but I wouldn’t call him part of the 1%. He was successful and wealthy, but he always challenged the system of capitalism that disadvantaged the majority.

                • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                  44. i thought i'd answered this, but i don't see my answer so at the risk of

                  repeating myself — coxey (according to source) wasn’t the main funder, but a 1%-er, someone like jp morgan, but not morgan.

                  it was so striking that I thought id remember, but I should always write this stuff down, cause I forget.  I posted somewhere on jpr about it — but searched and cant find it

                  • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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                    45. I searched for anything with Coxey in it and only found

                    our discussion and a topic from October of last year.

                    Coxey was backed by labor, including the AFL’s president, Gompers, and the Populist Party – I’ve never read anything about an industrialist backing the march. Possible, I suppose, if they saw something in it for themselves. They might have, given that Coxey wanted a huge infrastructure act passed to build roads across the country. I can see where having the government improve transport routes would interest a capitalist, but I’ve never read anything about one supporting him.

                    • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                      46. i never had either, and it was a surprise to see it — i can't evaluate the

                      likelihood because I can’t remember the source, but I read it quite recently

                      and I’ve found over the years there’s usually some kind of support lurking in the background of such things

                      • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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                        50. Interesting.

                        If you do run across it again, please send me the citation/link!

                      • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                        51. i will post it again if i do, but i may not remember you asking for it, so

                        no promises — but repost definitely

                      • Enlightenment (743 posts)
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                        52. That works –

                        I’m so forgetful these days, it’s a wonder I remember my name!

          • Samantha (595 posts)
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            72. Soros? (eom)

        • Fawke Em (3080 posts)
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          79. Thank you! I hate those pink hats. In fact, I hate the pink thing attached

          to women, period.

          As a marketer/PR specialist, I study colors and their influence on people. Pink means “Barbie” and “Pepto-Bismal.” It literally means “submissive.” If women want to get their optics correct, they should adopt the more powerful red for these things.

          Honestly, I think the whole pink thing either makes us little baby girls or reduces us to nothing more than the color of our vaginal walls. Ugh.

             
          • Manny Goldstein (1777 posts)
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            80. That might be the point?

            Pink worn by strong and pissed-off women is jarring juxtaposition. And jarring juxtapositions get attention.

            • Fawke Em (3080 posts)
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              82. I'm sure they think it is, but I hate it.

              I don’t like being equated with baby girls, Barbie and vaginal walls.

              Plus, I think pink is a really ugly color. LOL.

                 
      • MistaP (4093 posts)
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        27. it would also backfire on women's issues, by tying them to a march that's all

        too easy to depict as a gaggle of sore losers locked out of all three branches of government who, as we’ve noted, pulled out all the stops for a candidate they knew was weaker and thus earned a result anyone could’ve told them (had they not spent all their political capital telling people to STFU)

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • kishcreek (361 posts)
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          29. National Girls' Gripe Day?

          I love griping as much as anybody but, since it will accomplish nothing and, as you say, could backfire, would prefer to gripe in a coffee klatsch style environment. I’ll hoist a mug of joe for those shivering in DC.

          • MistaP (4093 posts)
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            30. my main concern is that we're in a realigning election, when the issues of the

            previous political atmosphere are jettisoned completely and the old party affiliations no longer hold true–we have to get out ahead of it

            http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
            • The Crone (2778 posts)
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              57. Boy, do I hear you.

              And no, I don’t really know how we proceed.

              But Joe Hill once said: “Don’t mourn, organize.”

              To that, some would add, “Divest.”

              "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • azurnoir (1669 posts)
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      6. That's my thought at this point Hillary so commandeered the women's rights

      movement solely for Her own political aggrandizement rather than anything real on Her part,   that almost any US march or protest seems really to be a Pro-3rd way/Clinton/DNC gathering and I have a very hard time supporting it

    • 2cannan (1172 posts)
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      7. Huge rallies are notorious for representing all kinds of

      causes, as I’m sure you know. My suggestion, why not go and support the things you care about by carrying a sign or wearing buttons or whatever? It will feel great to be with other people and after all we have to find common ground with other Americans including the misguided ones who participated in the shafting of Bernie whether they were aware of it or not.

      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        10. I guess my sign would read "Pro Bernie Pro Choice"

        Not sure how that would be received & don’t really want to argue or whatever with women who may be grieving Hillary’s loss…

        • Haikugal (4796 posts)
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          26. I think we both know how well that would go over. You could just wear a target.

          I view this as another Third Way effort by and for Third Way people. I’m happy with the company I have here because I often feel completely out of step. This “march” is optics and damned little else. You could go with a chiropractic backbone and say volumes silently.

            Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!!
      • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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        35. because what individuals might care about will be drowned by the

        organizers’ messaging?  while the same individual bodies will be assumed to support that messaging?

    • oldandhappy (2950 posts)
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      8. Interesting

      Had not considered that take on it all.  Will wait and see.  I will be at a small sister march.  Guess I want to go to support women and peace and hope.  If it becomes more than that, I can leave.  Fool me once, and all that.  I think you should tell the truth to your friends.  Just say, if the celebs had supported Bernie we would not have Mr. Orange.  And let it go at that.

    • Hari (1046 posts)
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      9. I understand your conflict.

      I just can’t see myself being among “those people”.  You have people to host, though. The good thing is you have a few days to think about it and decide.

      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        11. I think my contribution will be hosting, not attending.

        I’m still so angry about the election & how it went down for Bernie (even if Bernie has transcended it) & the refusal of the Democratic party to accept even a scintilla of the 100% truth that Hillary lost the election because she was the wrong candidate.

        • Hari (1046 posts)
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          12. That is a great idea, to only host.

          My anger is still raw because of what they did to Bernie and, actually, what they ended up doing to the country by pushing  her. I hope she goes away, anywhere and soon.

        • Eggar (1483 posts)
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          15. but perhaps the enabling (hosting)

          without the corrective protest equates to more of a negative in social progress. If you proceed with the hosting, I would just go ahead & attend, tough it out, hold your ground and speak only when you have to and don’t loose your cool. Always be aware and somewhat cautious.

           

          Protests should always be taking that extra step out of your comfort zone in order to have any successive future gain.

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    • PennLawyer (1889 posts)
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      13. I'm not marching either locally or in D.C.

      I’ve been politically active all my life, including teaching a couple of years in the Women’s Studies program at Pitt back in the late 70’s.   My knees and I are really too old for any more marches anyway (having been on them, I know the level of stamina required).   I agree with those upthread who have pointed out that these inauguration marches are unfocused and therefore not particularly effective.  But I have these female acquaintances in their 60’s & 70’s who have scrupulously avoided ever even  talking about politics or serious issues, let alone taking any actions such as attending meetings or hearings, writing letters to the editor, even contacting their elected representatives.

      But then along came “Hillary!” (not the 2008  Hillary, just the 2016 version).  They became and remain her ardent fan girls.  It’s not that they dismiss or rationalize all of her wrong-doings and short-comings.  They are just such low-information voters they never even learned of them.    Their level of info is that she was qualified because she was Secretary of State, but they can’t list a single accomplishment of hers in that position, let alone any of her failures.  These women, while all with college degrees,  couldn’t give you even rudimentary definitions of “progressive” or “socialist”,  let alone “fascism” or “oligarchy “.  Who was this Bernie Sanders guy, anyway?   A socialist???  In their minds, Hillary was perfect in every way and  the most qualified person ever to run for the presidency, and the ONLY reason anyone would oppose Hillary is because they were sexist.

      And now, by god, they constantly sport these YUGE  safety pins like they were diplomas in political theory,  and try to pressure other women to wear them,  and fancy themselves political savants and  militant feminists.  A few are planning on going to Washington, and some will march locally, and they are so self-important about it.  (Interestingly, all of them are married to wealthy and successful men.  Although these women have college educations, they never had careers once they had kids.)  But move over Joan of Arc and Mother Teresa.  Here comes the Safety Pin Brigade to save the world.  Where were they with the damn safety pins and protests when the U.S. bombed countries and destroyed whole cities and displaced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes for the past decade?

      These women remind me of lines from  W. B. Yeats’ poem, The Second Coming:  “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”  I am sickened by the passionate intensity of Clintonistas.

      Sorry to have gone on at such length.  I expect the next four years to be non-stop occasions for protesting specific actions and votes by all of our bought off politicians in both parties, and I’ll reserve my efforts for phone calls and letters re those.

       

      • whispers (1077 posts)
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        16. That Yeats'poem is spot on I think.

        My sister is going to a local event, and I said that I would go as I  believe in women’s rights.   But, I, too, fear it will turn out to be a Hillary fest and a “hate Trump” ordeal.  “Hate” is not my thing, nor is Hillary.  If it turns into something of this nature I will not participate.  My sister has one of those pins.  I love her and don’t want to have problems.  She has always been great to me.

        "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        24. Thank you!

      • Carolina (327 posts)
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        31. I love that line

        from The Second Coming and find it so appropriate for Hillbots.

        I am in my 60s as are many of my friends, but my relationship with some has changed. I have learned to zip my lips lest I come off too strident, but they are clueless about HRC’s record… all they cite is her resume. And these are college (and higher) educated women. While  I now live in a deep red state, they live in the blue bubbles of NY and MA and get their news from the MSM. The day after the election, they sent lengthy texts and emails or called about their grief and sorrow, associated with actual, physical manifestations. And, you guessed it, they are all gearing up for the March in DC. It’s nauseating and I cannot help but feel estranged from these women I have known since I was 18!

        Fortunately, I have kindred spirits in my sister and two female cousins with whom I can be completely candid, but most days I feel I live in some twilight zone

        • PennLawyer (1889 posts)
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          38. I appreciate your post; I'm in the same situation w/ some female friends

          As a female lawyer of HRC’s generation, and a research/policy wonk,  I have followed her career and life in general closely – either followed it concurrently, or gone back and done painstaking research on what she said and did, starting with her childhood and  the psychological and physical abuse which her father inflicted on his family, and which her milk-toast mother silently enabled.  To understand HRC’s farce of a marriage, you have to delve into Bill’s family history as well.  How many people, for example, know that his father was as promiscuous as Bill, and that Bill has an older half-brother (died in 2009) and half-sister mothered by 2 other women?

          The revelations about Mr. Ritzenthaler were made in The Washington Post on Sunday, in an article about Mr. Clinton’s father, William Jefferson Blythe, who died in a car accident weeks before Mr. Clinton’s birth. According to public records and interviews with family members, Mr. Blythe married Adele Gash in 1935 when they were both 17. Although they divorced the next year, Mr. Blythe was listed as the father of Henry Leon Blyth, who was born in 1938 and who later took the last name of his adoptive father.

          The article also said that Mr. Blythe was briefly married to Adele Gash’s sister, Faye, before marrying Virginia Cassidy in 1942. Now Virginia Kelly, she is the President’s mother and has said that she had not been aware of any previous marriage of her husband.  http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/22/us/clinton-s-lost-half-brother-to-neighbors-he-s-just-leon.html

          And:  “Clinton’s half-brother, Leon Ritzenthaler dies at 70 ”
          Posted: 01/14/09, 12:01 AM PST |

          http://www.paradisepost.com/article/ZZ/20090114/NEWS/901149999

          In the 1990s, however, investigations into Bill’s family revealed that he had two other half-siblings, who were children of his late father, William Blythe. In “My Life,” Bill says he and his mother did not know about his father’s other marriages and children until the news stories circulated.  “The stories confirmed the things my mother and I knew,” he wrote. “They also turned up a lot we didn’t know, including the fact that my father had probably been married three times before he met Mother, and apparently had a least two more children.”  Bill learned that his half-brother was Leon Blythe Ritzenthaler and his half-sister was Sharon Blythe Pettijohn.

          http://www.amny.com/news/elections/hillary-rodham-clinton-s-family-tree-bill-chelsea-and-more-relatives-1.12073668

          From what I learned, Bill met with his half-brother one time, and has never met his half-sister.  That piece of the Clinton family tree is not nearly as significant as masses of other facts about either Clinton.  I provide it as an example of the level of  detailed  info I have accumulated about the Clintons.  (I include the links and quotes in this post because I try to never just throw claims out without backing them up.)  Bottom line, based on the masses of info I have found over the years,  I see the Clintons for the unrepentant, exploitative, manipulative,  amoral, bottom-feeding pair which they are, and have total contempt for them.  But short of giving a 3 credit course to others, it is impossible to educate someone on the total realities of the Clintons.  Hillbots are so starry-eyed, they would never believe anything negative about their goddess.  And now, they are all too happy to shout “Fake News” when brought face to face w/ any negative news or info.

          Anyway, thanks for your post.  Good to know I am not alone in the twilight zone feeling.

           

          • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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            67. short of giving a 3 credit course to others…

            indeed.  does it ever bother you to know those things and have it not matter?

            (just in case this comes off as snarky or something, it’s a serious question.)

            • PennLawyer (1889 posts)
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              68. It's quite frustrating/saddening

              to interact with otherwise intelligent, good-hearted, well-meaning people who continue to be conned by the Clintons

              • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                70. thanks. I was thinking more of the fruitlessness of the research though

                in the style of “to a friend whose work has come to nothing”

        • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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          43. welcome to the twilight zone — been here for years

          its a very difficult thing to go through life feeling this way while trying to maintain human functioning

      • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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        36. omg i know the type. full of themselves though they haven't done but the

        rudimentary homework; assuming the little work they’ve done covers the field, and assuming an air of superiority over those who’ve been studying for years, sometimes decades, like they were the Columbuses of politics (not that Columbus is a good reference but couldn’t pull out a more famous explorer on short notice)

      • The Crone (2778 posts)
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        58. And since her failures as Secr of State include

        Egregious “Pay for Play” tactics that resulted in the war in Syria, it sickens me that they can claim that TRUMP is the racist.

        So far, Trump has never taken tens of millions of dollars from foreign agents in order  to turn a nation of brown skinned people into a road kill site.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • ghost bird (818 posts)
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        62. Wow–WELL SAID, thank you–!

        You summed it up so well, PennLawyer.  It is good to know that others feel exactly the same way as I do.

        I am so conflicted about this.  My sister and many friends are going.   You describe them PERFECTLY–the simplistic viewpoints, the misplaced passionate intensity (yes, where were they when…? indeed), the endowment of sainthood to badly flawed candidate Hillary.  I find it all incredibly disturbing and discouraging.

        The only positive thing I take from it is that it does seem that people (lib/prog) are waking up to the fact that they need to fight.  Now if they go home after the protest and continue to find a voice against what will inevitably occur with the current regime, then maybe it will do some good.  Maybe these folks need to come together at this moment to send a symbolic “not my president” message, and they certainly will do that.  It will give them energy to fight on perhaps.

        But I don’t want to participate and normally I would, being near DC and a veteran of many.  If I were going to this I would carry a Bernie inspired message.

        To keep a person ignorant is to place them in a cage. Julian Assange
    • tularetom (1585 posts)
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      14. The Clintons are gonna hijack this thing

      And turn it into a Hillary ass kiss fest.  That doesn’t mean anybody should boycott it, just be aware of what’s going on and be prepare to keep the event in tune with the stated intent as much as possible.

      "I know you're workin' for the CIA, they wouldn't have you in the Maf-I-A" -War "Why Can't We Be Friends"  
    • ronRonnie (312 posts)
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      19. As the saying goes…

      I wouldn’t be caught dead there.  Couldn’t imagine aligning myself with that bunch of Hilbots under any circumstances.  And it’s supposed to be cold then (thank goddess for little miracles.)   Not a chance in Hell.

    • peacecorps (2482 posts)
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      21. A march for women's rights is a good thing period, particularly with the

      religious right gaining power in the new administration. The fact that some, or many, of the marchers supported Hillary is much less important.

      I am glad that the marchers have not been paralyzed by fear into inaction

      Bernie “Fighting for Women’s Rights”

      https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-womens-rights/

      FDR stood for high/progressive taxes, tight regulation of corporations, effective legislation to support strong unions, a strong safety net, fiscal policy that supports full employment rather than austerity, engagement with the rest of the world in terms of trade and diplomacy and the Four Freedoms. Bernie supports the same issues plus an understanding of the danger posed by climate change. Count me as an FDR/Bernie liberal.
    • Xyzse (1834 posts)
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      22. I support it.

      They are more than welcome to make their voices heard, and I can appreciate that.  I support their ability to do so, and I tend to think it important.

      I will not dissuade them from their vigilance and passion.  I will support them on it in the small ways that I can.

      In the end, I still wish to work with Democrats and any one else who wants to improve society as a whole.

      I may feel disappointed in them for their treatment of Sanders and their arrogance and condescension towards those that supported someone else.  I can not help but feel disappointed at those who can not respect people for their choice on “who to vote or not vote for” last November.  However, that is a separate issue.

      The idea for me is to not take things personally.  That is bottom line.  It is why I can disagree passionately against a Republican or even a Libertarian but still respect them as a person after all.

      However, if Clinton does hijack this event… well… then that is a completely different issue, and I will lambaste them for it as well.

    • Rosa Luxemburg (1064 posts)
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      28. Don't worry about it

      just go

      The more that social democracy develops, grows, and becomes stronger, the more the enlightened masses of workers will take their own destinies, the leadership of their movement, and the determination of its direction into their own hands. Rosa Luxemburg.    
    • LiberalElite (3868 posts)
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      32. That's how I (a woman) feel too – no matter how "diverse" it is, I suspect

      it’ll be used in the service of their Steinem, et al’s agenda and they’re going to be made the “face” of the whole thing.  That’s one reason I won’t be in D.C. or the “sister march” in NYC the next day.  Plus, I’m just damn tired of marching.  I feel like I’ve heard all the speeches. What will anyone say that hasn’t been said already?

      I feel much better since I've given up hope
      • PennLawyer (1889 posts)
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        39. Marches will quickly become yesterday's news, like Bernie's massive rallies.

        Far more important to resolve to slog doggedly through the next 4 years making regular calls to offices of your elected representatives and holding them to account – and that means going to a lot of effort to find out what committees they serve on, and what bills and amendments said committees are considering and what bills and amendments your elected reps are sponsoring or  co-sponsoring, and educating oneself about those and making your opinions known as their constituent.  We can’t wait to comment/complain until a bill has made it through various hearings and committees and is up for a final vote, or finding out after the fact that a bill has been grafted onto other legislation for a late night vote and only then complaining about it.

    • RufusTFirefly (833 posts)
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      53. March co-chairs include well-known Bernie supporter Harry Belafonte

      Angela Davis as well.

      Unless I’m very much mistaken, I believe Belafonte and Davis share our antipathy toward Hillary.

      • The Crone (2778 posts)
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        59. Belafonte is the best of the best.

        Over eighty now, and still in the lead on such things as our imprisonment of small kids in America’s ever growing private prison colony.

        On the Big Birthday, I can’t help but think that Martin would be proud.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Rider (1976 posts)
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      60. I'm going to the Chicago march. I think this is a historic effort

      It’s a mission this feminist can get behind 110%. With Roe v Wade in jeopardy, Trump’s misogyny, and Republican antipathy towards women, I think it’s important to send a message now that there’s a lot of us out there willing to be involved in protecting our rights.

      http://womens121marchonchicago.org/

      Help us send the new administration a message that women and our supporters will CONNECT, PROTECT, and ACTIVATE for women’s rights, civil liberties, and diverse issues.

      If not now, when?
      • cui bono (926 posts)
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        64. I agree. Do you think wearing a Bernie shirt is divisive?

        I can’t decide if I should wear one of my many Bernie shirts or not.

        The DNC can try to squash us but we'll just come back stronger.   
        • Rider (1976 posts)
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          65. No way! I'm wearing all of my Bernie swag and carrying a PP support sign

          If not now, when?
          • cui bono (926 posts)
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            66. Okay! I think I'll wear one and maybe tie another around my waist

            so you can see Bernie on my butt!  :)

             

            The DNC can try to squash us but we'll just come back stronger.   
    • cui bono (926 posts)
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      63. Just because some despicable people are there doesn't mean the cause is not

      worthy.

      Not making yourself heard on an issue of importance that we all agree about because others who also care about it (albeit sometimes questionably) is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      What would happen if Republicans saw the light and wanted to fight for unions and single-payer health care? Would we all sit home because they were a bunch of jackasses in the past? That would be stupid.

      I say go ahead and go. I’m going and I think I will be wearing my Bernie shirt. I’m deciding if it would be divisive to do so, but I do have that feeling that I don’t want this to look like a Hillary fest and I don’t want to be assumed to have been a Hillary supporter. I take no blame for Trump as I voted for Bernie, in the primary AND the GE.

      The DNC can try to squash us but we'll just come back stronger.   
    • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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      69. Neither Bernie nor Hillary are really relevant any more.

      Bernie concealing global coup bill GATS (which Bill Clinton SIGNED) really bothers me.

      "Out of many, one"
      • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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        73. "Bernie concealing global coup bill GATS"

        can you explain or link to what youre talking about?

        • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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          75. Bernie hyping thing after thing that is barred by G. without telling us about G.

          That looks more like a cover up of G. than anything else.

          Don’t worry that your country is being taken over, and your futures and dreams forever subsumed for corporate profit in an unworkable nightmare of international corporate entitlements to every policy of economic value. The second enclosure.

          Here, I’ll even pay vague lip service to your worries, without giving you any new information you could possibly use to change this outcome. Keep barking up the wrong tree while we lock down the future on the other side of oceans where you are unlikely to learn about it, being increasingly poor and unable to access the kinds of knowledge or economic opportunity you would need to make lives and futures for yourselves, is how we like it. So no unrealistic expectations of success.

          Just quietly go with my friend in white to your ever-shrinking cells.

          "Out of many, one"
          • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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            77. Your read and your interpretation then? Best to say so straight out

            rather than billing it as “concealing global coup bill” as though there were some direct evidence of a deliberate act.

            • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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              81. You don't realize how many things they are attacking or what that will do.

              Do you know how the North Korean government operates?

              This government:

              “Factionalists or enemies of class, whoever they are; their seed must be eliminated through three generations.” – Kim Il-sung (1972)

              Give me some examples of things that give American families some security.  Go ahead, do it.

               

              "Out of many, one"
              • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                83. i'm confused by your writing. what does nk have to do with it, and

                is “this government” the US, or NK?

                American families don’t have security.

            • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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              86. There is tons of evidence on the WTO web site wto.org

              Check it out. Don’t you want to know what your planet’s unelected leaders are doing with your future?

              "Out of many, one"
              • FanBoy (7017 posts)
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                87. you've done this before; tell me there's "tons of evidence" somewhere but

                refuse to provide direct links to something specific.

                it’s very tiresome and doesn’t help convince anyone if that is indeed your aim.

    • NuttyFluffers (1772 posts)
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      71. did you serve pancakes or waffles?

      i know, where are my manners?, priorities… blueberry or strawberry syrup?

      • Rehrucken (51 posts)
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        74. Women march inc.

        & who ‘donated’ all those pink hats they gave out?

        • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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          76. Women made them by hand. One by one. They were not made in some sweatshop.

          Or by some robot.

          They were made by real human female people.

          "Out of many, one"
      • Marylander (379 posts)
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        78. As it turned out…

        my house wasn’t needed for overnights but people came back from the march & had potluck dinner here – all full of energy, enthusiasm & good vibes.  Including my significant other. It was all good.

        • NuttyFluffers (1772 posts)
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          84. that sounds lovely!

          what a blessing of community regardless the times! :)

    • UnicornOnTheCob (1004 posts)
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      85. Clinton fans could have joined Progressives in the White House

      Now they can join us in the streets. Better late than never.