Coronavirus News: Judge restores NY Democratic presidential primary on June 23

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    • #312326
      LiberalElite
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      https://abc7ny.com/politics/judge-restores-ny-democratic-presidential-primary-on-june-23/6154437/

      NEW YORK — The New York Democratic presidential primary must take place June 23 because canceling it would be unconstitutional, a judge ruled Tuesday.

      U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres ruled after hearing arguments a day earlier as lawyers for withdrawn presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang argued that it was wrong to cancel the primary.

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

    • #312330
      David the Gnome
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      Why bother?  He has suspended his campaign and endorsed Biden.  For all intents and purposes he is finished as a candidate.  It would be one thing if he was legitimately in this to win it – he isnt.

      Given the situation in New York, it makes sense to cancel it.

      Maybe some people think there will be a miracle or something and Bernie will win other states… not going to happen.  While Biden may be the equivalent of a giant douche or shit sandwich, he is the only one running as a d at this point.

      Just more annoying bull shit that doesnt mean anything.  Screw the primary, this thing is over – keep people home.

      • #312409
        A Simple Game
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        There were State and local primaries already scheduled for June before any of this kerfuffle ever got started.   The State and Congressional primaries were never cancelled.  They just need to add the Presidential part to the ballot.  Those are held separately from the Presidential primaries, don’t ask me why.  Two separate primaries were foolish anyway… can’t get people to vote?  I know, let’s make them do it twice!  New York is not a voter friendly state.

        With all of that being said, why aren’t we all starting to vote by mail?  So much simpler and convenient, not to mention safer.  As for stealing elections, no matter how you vote they will find a way to do it if they want to steal it.

        • #312430
          Jim Lane
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          @asimplegame

          In 2016, New York held three separate primaries: presidential in April, other federal offices in June, state offices in September.

          It was a step forward that, for this year, the plan was to cut it back to just two (presidential in April, all others in June).  Then the two were consolidated to one because of the pandemic.

          Perhaps one indirect result of COVID-19 will be that, in 2024 and going forward, New York will decide to stick with having just one primary.

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        djean111
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        There are down-ticket primaries, too. And now the DNC has to spend time on rigging and cheating and fucking with the voter rolls.  The people of New York deserve their primary.  Not for you or me or Cuomo to have any say about it.  It also may highlight – again! – how the DNC fucks with the voters and voting, maybe open up some more vote for the blue eyes.

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      @davidthegnome

      I disagree.  After spending millions of dollars on new voting machines in every county, Pennsylvania switched to all mail-in ballots; and New York can, too.  By New York switching to mail-in ballots in the primary, it will prepare them for handling voting in the general election, if there is a resurgence of  Covid-19  in the Fall.

      • #312338
        ElfinWilde
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        has some leverage at the convention.

        It ain’t over until the fat lady sings, and while I don’t hold out much hope for a good outcome, we live in interesting times and the future isn’t written in stone until it happens.

        Plus, I happen to agree with Yang, Bernie, and the judge:  canceling the primary would be unconstitutional and would also deny the citizens of New York their right to officially voice their (limited) choice.


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    • #312346
      David the Gnome
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      @pademd

      The article doesnt indicate that they intend to switch to full mail in.  So, depending on how things look in late June, we could be looking at another Wisconsin situation.

      If I understand correctly, Bernie’s reasoning for suspending his campaign was to avoid just that.  So, holding a primary for the state of New York with polling stations and so on, seems to be very risky with little to gain.  It would seem to be just a little bit hypocritical.

      If it is a full mail in event, fine.  Otherwise I see no reason at all for New Yorkers to risk it.

    • #312347
      Satan
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      except for the fact that the ballots will probably be counted by the same party machine that stole NY in 2016.

      Hopefully enough people will be sick of the dementia-addled rapist PNAC signator by then and vote against him. They could vote for Bernie. They could vote for Yang, for all I care (Hell knows his campaign could get a boost right now with UBI suddenly becoming a hot topic) just as long as Biden doesn’t get any more delegates.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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      Captain Arizona
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      I voted for tulsi gabbard in az dem. primary. I would have been very angry if my right to vote was taken away. If n.y. democratic primary voters want to vote no one should be able to tell them they can’t. People have died for the right to vote. Over there they say bernie should go away ;but they don’t want his voters to go away and not vote in november! We started with the most diverse field in presidential primary history and thanks to dnc party manipulation and threats we are down to two old white sexual predators. And they still can’t figure out why people want to vote third party.

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      David the Gnome
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      @djean111

      We dont know what things will look like by that time.  If they have a full mail in vote, fine – but you remember Wisconsin?  Imagine a similar situation in New York – especially in the city.  That is what I do not want to see happen.

      Yes, people died for the right to vote, so that future generations wouldn’t have to.

      • #312428
        djean111
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        And, here in Florida, I felt that my vote was never even registered – problem with signing the tablet,  just “Congratulations!  Your vote was counted!” when I put my vote in the scanner.  Yes, counted for Biden, is my strong belief.  And it seemed your initial gripe was that Bernie had suspended, not  COVID danger.  No one thinks there will be a miracle, but no one else gets to decide for other people.  I agree with Bernie and Yang and the judge on this.


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      David the Gnome
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      @djean111

      Of my reply, “given the situation in New York”.  Am I still upset that he suspended his campaign?  Yes – I’ll get over it eventually.  What has me worried right now is that models and predictions from experts suggest this virus could get far worse.

      If, for example, New York City has fewer polling stations, workers and so on… this could be a disaster- and the people of New York have suffered enough.  Wearing a mask helps, but…

      A few days… maybe a week ago now?  I read a report that said over 40 new cases were linked to the Wisconsin primary – assuming that every infected individual spreads the illness to 2 others…

      I suppose our opinions on the matter are irrelevant, but it does strike me as being very dangerous – and one of the things that I did praise Bernie for was being the only one to call for postponing other primaries.

      Maybe June will be better, but… maybe not.  A full mail in campaign should not be that hard.  I’d prefer it if voting downticket in a primary didnt get a lot of people killed.

      Trump and Biden both encouraged Wisconsin primary voters – and it was not, by any means, safe.  We dont need a repeat of that.

      There are better ways than sending people out to crowded polling stations…

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