Could you possibly invent a more expensive and less effective healthcare system than what we have in the US?

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      eridani
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      https://robertreich.substack.com/p/healthcare-system

      Even before the pandemic, the typical American family was spending more than $6,000 a year on health insurance premiums. Add in copayments and deductibles that doctors, hospitals, and drug companies also charge, and that sum rises to $6,400. Add in typical out-of-pocket expenses for pharmaceuticals, and it’s at least $6,800. That’s not all, because some of the taxes the typical family pays are for health insurance, too — for Medicare and Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act. Add them in, and the typical household pays $8,975 a year for health insurance. This number doesn’t include what typical workers’ employers spend on their health insurance – which might otherwise go to their wages.

      American spending on healthcare per person is more than twice the average in the world’s other thirty-five advanced nations. Yet the United States ranks near the bottom among advanced nations for life span and infant mortality. Americans are sicker, our lives are shorter, and we have more chronic illnesses. Canadians, for example, can expect to live on average almost four and a half years longer than Americans, even though health care spending per person is only about half as high as in the U.S.

      The Affordable Care Act was a good start at reform, but today I’m urging Congress*to replace private for-profit health insurance with Medicare for all. This would lead to far lower total costs — including premiums, co-payments, deductibles, and taxes — and it would cover all Americans. People could keep their same doctor or other health-care provider, and could buy private insurance to supplement it — just as some people now buy private insurance to supplement Medicare and Social Security. But as Medicare and Social Security have demonstrated, we shouldn’t need to pay private for-profit insurers boatloads of money to get the insurance we need.

      I have no illusions this will happen soon. But the road we’re now on is unsustainable — economically, politically, and socially. Eventually, we’re going to have some version of Medicare for All (and hats off to members of Congress who are leading the way, such as Representatives Pramila Jayapal, Debbie Dingel, and Ro Khanna). The question is how much unnecessary cost and hardship must we bear before we do?

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #471817
      Ohio Barbarian
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      When all it takes to burnish a politician’s progressive creds is to be a co-sponsor of a bill that will never see the light of day. When progressive voters are harangued to Vote Blue No Matter Who no matter how much money they take from HMOs and Big Pharma. When a Fascist like Joe Biden is hailed by progressive poltroons like Bernie Sanders as the next FDR.

      This is just more bullshit peddled by a multimillionaire who would far rather protect the status quo than to see the revolutionary change it would take to get a rational health care system in place in this country.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #472069
        eridani
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        –that you would lose by more than 100 votes?

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

        • #472119
          djean111
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          And this –

          Could you possibly invent a more expensive and less effective healthcare system than what we have in the US?

          If one was invented, both parties would be all over it.  Actually, with Direct Contract in Medicare, both parties are working towards making our “health care” system even more expensive and inaccessible and profit-generating.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #472158
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          That’s how parliamentary democracy is works sometimes. How many times did civil rights legislation fail on floor votes? I don’t know, but it was somewhere between several and a lot. In the British Parliament, the National Health Service was introduced and voted down dozens of times.

          By refusing to bring up the issue in a floor vote, you allow those opposed to stay hidden in the shadows, and downplay your issue as so unimportant to you that you won’t even force a vote on it. Which is exactly the case with your precious Democrats.

           

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

          • #472239
            eridani
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            Any single payer organization can tell you who the antis are.

            Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

            • #472251
              djean111
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              And head the campaign pandering off at the not-passed.  On the other hand, yeah, Pelosi likely has a spreadsheet by now that tells her who can safely for for M4A without accidentally causing it to pass.  Would love to see if Biden would veto it if it accidentally passed, too.  Tired of the Dems crowing that they are for the working people when they are really against them.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

            • #472254
              Ohio Barbarian
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              Yes, they are against M4A because they will never fight for it. If you don’t see that by now, you never will, and are not worth trying to persuade.

              Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

              The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #471829
      djean111
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      The Dems are very happy to sponsor bills that they know will never happen.  Progressive cred at a bargain price.  Like Hillary said – public face, private ass.  Or something like that.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

    • #471864
      soryang
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      “…and could buy private insurance to supplement it.”

      BS. There is no role for profit insurance companies in health care. The gaps in medicare coverage are the means by which the private insurance industry (the wall street big investment houses) have used to undermine health care in the US, and turn it into their private capital extraction industry.

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