COVID-19 vaccine reactions: Families describe adverse responses to shot

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      The Pfizer mRNA vaccine has an extra sugar molecule hanging out there. This molecule is what causes an inflammatory reaction from the Pfizer vaccine, because the immune system does not recognize the molecule and mounts an immediate immune response against it. That is why there are chairs available and they ask you to wait for 15 to 30 minutes after getting the Pfizer shot.

      The Johnson & Johnson DNA does not have this extra molecule hanging out there. There are usually no after effects with the J&J shot.
      The body has to go through 3 steps to break the Pfizer vaccine down to do its work. That is also the reason there is such an adverse reaction for the second shot of the Pfizer vaccine.
      The J&J vaccine only has 2 steps to break the vaccine down to what’s needed so it can do its work. The J&J vaccine does not have nearly the adverse effects of the Pfizer vaccine.

      For your reading pleasure:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6631684/

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    • #433462
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      The one-sided media narrative, the universally positive promotion, the lack of full information, and the obstinate refusal to air/allow countervailing, scientific considerations and opinions about these vaccines is a truly frightening phenomenon in medicine. Those physicians, nurses, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, scientists and lay people who raise questions about the vaccines are deliberately marginalized and silenced by media outlets, with their views reduced to simplistic phrases like vaccine hesitancy. I applaud a republican senator providing a means for those who have been injured to express themselves openly.

      Everyone has the right to bodily integrity (my body, my choice), and each person should make the best, informed decision based on personal circumstances. No medical decision should ever be made under duress from shaming, coercion or mandates because no medical interventions are without potential, harmful adverse reactions. Sadly, I do not feel the American public has been duly informed about these vaccines. All of the vaccines released to date are still INVESTIGATIONAL. They have been issued via Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) to Pfizer/BioNTech on December 11, 2020; to Moderna on December 18, 2020; and to Janssen/Johnson & Johnson on February 27, 2021. Thus, they lack a solid year’s worth of data establishing SAFETY or real efficacy.

      Mandate of an EUA/investigational product violates informed consent, medical ethics, and the Nuremberg Code.

      These are just some of the facts in the Pfizer/FDA Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers (an informed consent document, updated 6/25/2021 on the FDA website https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download)
      Page 1: “There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.”
      Page 3: “The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is an unapproved vaccine.”
      Page 3: “The duration of protection against COVID-19 is currently unknown.”
      Page 5: “It is your choice to receive or not receive the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.”
      Page 7: “The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA-approved or cleared product.”

      The fact sheets for Moderna and Janssen/J&J contain the same statements.

      Most people are not even aware of these informed consent fact sheets published by each drug company in concert with the FDA; they are not aware of what EUAs are, how rarely they are issued and hence, that none of these vaccines is FDA-approved.

      Since these vaccines are still experimental, everyone being injected is really a subject in Phase 3 clinical trials. Prevention and transmission were not endpoints of the pre-EUA trials, so true efficacy remains unknown as does the duration of any purported protection. In fact, the only initial claim was that the vaccines would lessen the degree/severity of illness in recipients. Also, for the Pfizer and Moderna products, this is the first time mRNA technology has ever been used in humans on such a massive scale. Long term effects are completely unknown, and yet vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued for any harm or death because they have been totally shielded of liability via the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act.

      The mRNA technology of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been studied for over 20 years. However, previous attempts to create such SARS vaccines (after the 2002 SARS-CoV-1 and 2012 MERS outbreaks) failed at the level of animal studies because of vaccine-induced, antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) which caused the test animals to experience more severe illness, and often death, on re-exposure to wild virus. Moreover, scientists who have been involved in mRNA research have expressed concern about the bio-distribution of vaccines delivered via this modality because of potential, long-term autoimmune and central nervous system complications. Specifically, since mRNA is rapidly degraded in the body by endonucleases, the mRNA encoded with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in the vaccine must be embedded in lipid nanoparticles that require extreme deep freeze storage. But what happens in the body to those nanoparticles, what unintended sites might they affect… Scientific commentary on this issue has been written by many, but especially eloquently in the British Medical Journal by vaccine researcher J. Wes Ulm MD., PhD.

      Comparing these vaccines to the those for influenza is wrong and misguided. Efforts to develop a flu vaccine began after the 1918 pandemic with the first one being devised in 1933, refined in 1942, and further refined in 1978. Yet, as that virus continually evolves (adapts), the vaccine (a traditional one based on inactivated virus or viral subunits/proteins) changes each year and still may only be ~50% effective (a coin toss) in preventing flu infection in any given year. Nonetheless, that vaccine has repeatedly and stood the test of time and scientific. Likewise comparing these vaccines to the polio and MMR vaccines is also false and misleading because those vaccines have also been thoroughly tested and, most importantly, prevent the diseases. That cannot be said about these new SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. They do not necessarily prevent infection or transmission as we are currently seeing several reports of breakthrough cases of SARS-CoV-2 in those who have been fully “vaccinated.” In fact, on 4/26/2021, the CDC reported 9,245 breakthrough infections with 835 hospitalizations and 132 deaths. After that report’s alarming data which contradicted the pro-vaccine narrative, the CDC decided to change its reporting, henceforth only documenting those breakthrough cases leading to hospitalization or death… the very thing the manufacturers assured the CDC that the vaccines prevented. Then, there are emerging variants (e.g., the delta variant) about which there is only speculative protection since microbes naturally adapt or mutate.

      The timeline for normal FDA approval of drugs requires a minimum of 6 years during which safety and efficacy are continuously examined. After 1 year of preclinical animal or lab (in vitro) testing, Phase 1 entails enrolling a small number of healthy subjects (1-2 years). Phase 2 follows, involving those who have the condition for which the drug is being investigated (1-2 years). Then, there is Phase 3 during which a greater number of human subjects is enrolled (2-3 years) which is followed by another 1-2 years of FDA review and final approval before the drug is released to the public. The approval process for vaccines is often much longer (~10 years) and for good reason. Drugs affect a smaller portion of the population (i.e., those people with a given condition that the drug is meant to cure or abate), but vaccines are given to a vastly larger segment of the population and importantly, to healthy people. Therefore, the time spent on safety and efficacy studies is critical.

      Yet with all of the usual scrutiny, history has shown that even after FDA approval, effects emerge in the larger population that weren’t uncovered in the trials, effects that have resulted in removal from the market. Recent examples include: Rezulin, Vioxx, Bextra, Accutane, Meridia, and Seldane. Even the Sabin (oral) polio vaccine was discontinued in 2000. Thus, these EUAs have completely contracted and subverted that process. The viral genome was sequenced in China on January 11, 2020, vaccine trials began in late spring/early summer 2020, and the EUAs were issued as noted above. So, we do not have a single, solid year of data! And yet, we are told these vaccines are safe and effective. No questions asked, no challenges allowed.

      However, scientific inquiry is precisely about asking questions, asking them repeatedly, and then challenging the answers and/or the accepted dogma. You do not hear any voices raising these points or questioning these vaccines on the airwaves. And the few who do — or try — are silenced, pejoratively dismissed as ignorant, selfish, anti-vaxxers. OR the media divides the pro and con camps — simplistically and erroneously — as Democrats vs Republicans, with the dissenters branded as evangelical conspiracy theorists or worse. Nonetheless, upwards of 30% of healthcare personnel — many of whom have been on the front lines delivering care since SARS-CoV-2 was declared a pandemic on March 11, 2020 — refuse vaccination and have expressed valid explanations that have nothing to do with partisanship or religion.

      Coronaviruses are here to stay. Historically, there are coronavirus strains that cause the common cold, there was SARS (CoV-1) in November 2002, MERS in 2012, and now SARS-CoV-2 and all of its variants. They will be with us, and will continue to mutate, as viruses naturally do. There are still so many unknowns about the virus(es), so how can there be such certainty about incompletely tested vaccines! How can anyone say that the benefits of any of these vaccines — which lack standard, and certainly long term, test data — outweigh the risks, especially when the risks of severe illness and death from COVID-19 vary with age and underlying health status, and when well over 98% of people recover.

      Throughout 2020, the media reported cases and deaths without distinguishing positive test results from clinically significant cases, or deaths due solely TO COVID from deaths WITH COVID complicating serious co-morbid conditions, especially cardiopulmonary and metabolic (obesity, diabetes mellitus). This distinction matters because most hospitalizations and deaths were precisely in those with underlying conditions; while by contrast, healthy individuals – young and old – generally had mild or asymptomatic illness that resolved on its own or with treatment (steroids, azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin). This also begs the question: why wasn’t early, effective treatment pursued as vigorously as the rush to generate a vaccine. The available, inexpensive treatments listed above have shown documented success in the early phase of symptomatic illness, but many people tragically waited – or were told to wait – to seek treatment until their respiratory symptoms worsened, often to the point of pneumonia or adult respiratory distress syndrome.

      Finally, a look at the Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System or VAERS is alarming; and any drug with so many adverse effects in such a short time would have already been withdrawn from the market. VAERS is updated weekly on Fridays and shows that as of 06/25/2021, injuries in ages 12-17 have surpassed 11,000 while the total number of adverse event reports from all age groups following COVID vaccines between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 18, 2021 (6 months) has reached 387,087 with 6,113 deaths.

      Some specific data:
      – Of the 3,764 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 54% were attributed to Pfizer vaccine, 43% to Moderna vaccine, and 8% to J&J.
      – Of 344 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome, 45% were attributed to Pfizer, 41% to Moderna and 20% to J&J.
      107,909 reports of anaphylaxis with 43% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 49% to Moderna, and 8% to J&J.
      – Of 6,787 reports of blood clotting disorders, 2,892 were attributed to Pfizer, 2,394 reports to Moderna, and 1,459 reports to J&J.
      – Of 1,342 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis, 835 were attributed to Pfizer, 458 cases to Moderna, and 45 cases to J&J’s vaccine.

      Many people question VAERS, often using such words as rare or coincidental when describing adverse reactions. Thanks to Sen. Johnson for giving these people a voice. We need to hear more, we need the propaganda to end because coercion, virtue signaling/shaming, authoritarian group-think, and the notion of mandates have no place in 21st century medicine.

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      99% of COVID deaths are among unvaccinated

      https://www.eatthis.com/news-fauci-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/

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      Info on adverse reactions is available for all vaccines

      https://www.who.int/teams/regulation-prequalification/regulation-and-safety/pharmacovigilance/health-professionals-info/reaction-rates-information-sheets

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      @carolina

      This also begs the question: why wasn’t early, effective treatment pursued as vigorously as the rush to generate a vaccine. The available, inexpensive treatments listed above have shown documented success in the early phase of symptomatic illness

      I’ve wondered the same thing. I guess they are making more money on the vaccine.

      • #433579
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        Information about early treatment modalities and regimens literally went down the rabbit hole because with cheap and readily available treatments, the EUAs could not have been granted.

        My above post was based on my experience being in medicine for 41 years and serving on a university institutional review board which examines research studies to assure the safety of human subjects in biomedical research. However, for additional, excellent commentary with more details, including about the drug companies, etc., I would read: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa

        There are those who dismiss the Children’s Health Defense website as being a wacky site for the anti-vaxxers; and I thought that myself until a colleague referred me to an article there. Instead, I found a wealth of information with links to medical sites, governmental sites and yes, what is considered “mainstream media” which, of course, never lies to us!

        My concern, and hence the long post above, is simply that people are not being completely informed and thus, cannot make truly informed decisions on which to base their personal consent and their assent for their minor children.

    • #438467
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      Yeah, there’s a reliable source of information. A literal pedophile who occupies a Senate seat stolen for him by the Koch brothers. And who is most likely the stupidest mortal to currently hold a Senate seat. (though he has several competitors in the House)

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      • #438501
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        @satan

        All he did was hold a hearing. He’s not the “source”, the people talking about their experiences are. Are you implying they are all liars?

         

        • #438504
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          Sometimes from the very people who sneer at “progressive purity”.  The hilarious thing about that is – those attacking the messenger are probably not going to hear that information from their favored $media.

          Thinking along those lines, though, to be fair – I admit I do think of Fauci as the “Ron Johnson” of the CDC, and the phrase “according to CDC data” cracks my shit up.  Olbermann is the Glenn Beck of the Democratic Party!  Or Alex Jones, maybe.  Fun game!  But yeah, I suspect the problems of those families are being casually dismissed in the holy name of politicization.

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