Covid experts: there is another way

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      salemcourt
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      Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice. 

      Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

      Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza. 

      As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e.  the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity. 

      https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/?pt

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      N2Doc
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      salemcourt
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      N2Doc
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      @salemcourt  -Nothing against you. I just have seen the herd immunity hypothesis in so many articles, each acting as if no one had ever considered this and it was some sort of new innovative thinking. And this article is typical in vastly downplaying the effects of Covid 19 and overplaying the effects of other ways of mitigating the spread of the virus. I know there are folks who swear this is the only way. I am suspicious because many of those who do espouse this in the media and in politics are known complete idiots, and herd immunity seems suspiciously designed to get the economy moving at all costs. If everyone had free high-quality healthcare like Trump does, I would be much more inclined to say go for it. But we don’t in the US.

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      HassleCat
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      Please, PLEASE stop spreading this right wing bullshit regarding herd immunity. Please have a little compassion for your fellow humans.

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      jwirr
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      My  grand daughter is an RN and works at a hospital in a nearby Mormon community. When I talked with her about sending her children to school she gave me this bull about herd immunity. She said the more people who get it the better. Let me see how many people have died world wide so far? And how many years would a possible immunity take to develop?

      We have in my lifetime used vaccines to develop herd immunity and it has worked. And millions did not have to die with the hope that their death might cause others to be able to be immune. In all the epidemics and pandemics I have lived through since I was born in 1941 I do not remember any disease that became immune in any other way than vaccines?

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      Haikugal
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      Thanks @jwirr I totally agree and can remember being in grade school getting my first polio vaccination and waiting for the bus behind a girl with polio braces who had wet herself. Horrible. Poor kid. Vaccinations work and provide safety for the herd.

       

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      Two way street
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      Jan Boehmerman
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      Makes about as much sense as Chicken Pox parties these days!

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      Pam2
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      I thought some people were saying you could get it twice?  Besides that,  “vulnerability to death” isn’t the only thing to worry about since this is a serious and long lasting illness in a lot of people with complications like stroke, heart attack etc. No thanks, I don’t want to be one of the herd.

       

       

       

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      Haikugal
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      Bernice Ta
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      It was for polio, a brand new prevention way back then. They didn’t think “herd immunity” would work for that, we had special buildings for the kids with polio who could get some sort of education. When the vaccine came out, they were more than happy to get it for us. Same with any other vaccine, though when I was a kid we didn’t have a lot. I suffered through measles, mumps and chicken pox, because there was no other option.

      On the other hand, I’m not sure we’ll ever have a reliable vaccine for Covid-19. I would hope we could, but I fear I’ll spend the rest of my life wearing masks and drying my hands out with hand sanitizer. But, better than the alternative, I guess.

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