Cuomo Asks Elizabeth Warren if She Remembers if She Felt Differently About SAME-SEX Marriage Having Been a Republican

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  • #184978

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    Cuomo Asks Elizabeth Warren if She Remembers if She Felt Differently About SAME-SEX Marriage Having Been a Republican

     

    Wait for it……here it comes….

     

    “…. I don’t remember” “I don’t have notes from when I WAS A LITTLE KID…..”

     

    WHAT????…..”Little Kid”

     

    “….How does she “not remember”? She was a Republican until she was 49-50 years old…..”

     

     

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  • #184979

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    With an answer like that, says Liz is still a Republican.

    We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

    If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

    Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

  • #185160

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    She’s not even a good liar.

  • #185212

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    this one deserves a pass. I did not hear same sex marriage as a possibility until, well, at least until Reagan was president. what is now accepted (well, by some) as basic fairness was once a boogy man invented by the televangelists as a fund raising tool.

    • #185214

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      The issue here is she is lying about the time frame when she was a Republican. She was one until the 90’s. She wasn’t a “little kid”.

       

    • #185272

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      No, no pass.  Warren was asked about how she felt as a Republican – she was a Republican until 49-50 years old.  This is a typical dissembling evasive Warren non-answer.  There really is no reason, any more, to believe anything Warren says about anything.  And there is a “tell”, IMO, when she does not want to answer a question.  Warren starts to stammer and babble and attempt to reframe the question into something completely different.  Or give a snappy little joke non-answer.  Honestly, as someone who liked Warren before Bernie ran – now I see that was also before Warren was being asked anything at all – I am kinda gobsmacked at how she really is.

      I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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        she was only a registered republican from 1991 to mid 1996

        the only Republican she ever voted for President was Ford in 1976

        She voted for McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Clinton

        she switched to Repug when she moved to Pennsylvania due to her liking Arlen Spector

        that is hardly a hardcore Rethug voting record, regardless of where you stand on Warren or other Dumicrats

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          And Warren could have said that, instead of making an inane and sort of condescending  joke.  Warren seems most comfortable ranting at people in committee meetings, but not so good at being questioned herself.  In fact, it looks to me like Warren does not expect to be questioned at all, and only has asperity and jokes to counter questions she does not want to answer.  That really does remind me of Hillary.

          I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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          “…..County governments in New Jersey and Texas, where Warren lived in the 1970s and ’80s, could not locate Warren’s voter registration records, and the senator herself is circumspect about her political past. But records from the time Warren spent living in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts make clear that she was a registered Republican for at least several years of her midcareer adult life. It was not until 1996—when Warren was 47 years old and a newly minted Harvard law professor—that she changed her registration from Republican to Democrat….”

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-

           

          stockholmer……..who gives a feck about whether Liz was a ‘hardcore‘ republican! That has absolutely zero to do with the question Posed to her. She said “,,,,I don’t remember” “I don’t have notes from when I WAS A LITTLE KID….” on National TV.

           

          Does a 47 year old qualify as a “A Little Kid?’

          47 year old = Little Kid

           

          If not, then Liz was deceptive & lied on National TV

           

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      never mind

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    That is a bullshit answer.

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    I am nothing if not a realist, and this board has long ago jumped the shark

    I am VERY good at prognostication (I called BREXIT and the Rump win for just 2 in a long series of examples) and so many of you are so busy trashing Warren when she will be the only shot this go-round to get basically ANY of the Sanderite things passed, as Bernie has about zero % chance of winning. The numbers are just not there for him, and his heart attack has sealed it. I can understand the detestment towards Biden, but Warren is streets ahead of Groper Joe, in terms of many many policies and stances, AND given how fucked up (in terms of rightward shift your nation has undergone in terms of the electoral map and also the systemic voter suppression of the Rethugs) is, you are either going to vote for her or go flat out (which I can undrstand) destroy the party by voting Rump again. I do not agree with all the Warren bashing, as Bernie doesn’t have a chance, so, unless you are all about destroying the Dummicrats, it serves no purpose other than to help the old Groper.

    I would rather have Warren than Rump, but cannot really say on Rump v Biden. Biden probably, because he is, as FUCKED as he will be, will still be far better than Shillary would have been. I had common cause with many here because I saw (and still do) Klintoon as a harpy demon WWIII-starter. Biden is not at that level, but still SHIT. So, given reality, for me, it would Warren, but most here have been too self-reinforced spun out on her. Sad.

    I expect this reply to fire up the old outrage organ, but, hey, not my problem, as I will never live in the US again, and I cannot vote there anyway, lolol.

    I feel bad for Bernie, but sometimes you get the bear, and sometime the bear gets you.

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      Nah.  No outrage.  Your authoritarian insults have no sting.  And, as you say,  you cannot vote (not that I think our elections are even tallied righteously, which makes much of the political conversation kinds weird).     Just wondering why you spend your precious precious time here.  I don’t think anyone here takes your condescension or whatever to heart.  I will spend my outrage on stuff that counts.  Now excuse me, I have to go and jump a shark!  Bwahahahaha!

      Oh, and I sincerely doubt Warren will actually pass ANYTHING remotely Bernie-related.    She is a cross between Hillary and Obama.  That’s all she is.  Capitalist to her bones.  Israel.  War.  What is there to like?  And I also sincerely doubt Biden’s campaign is coming here for advice.  As you say, we jumped the shark.

      I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

      Bernie's ISSUES or Bust!

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        LOL at you saying I am using ‘authoritarian insults’

        you need a new thesaurus

        as for time spent here it is almost zero these days

        finally, you say Warren is a capitalist, this is true

        but

        so is Bernie

        What socialism is — according to Bernie Sanders

        U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has been calling himself a democratic socialist since the 1960s.
        Bernie’s use of the word “socialist” has attracted both love and ire from the left.
        His definition of socialism is vague, but is the basis for many peoples’ understanding of the concept.

        https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/what-is-socialism-bernie-sanders?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3

        snip

        Luckily for us, Senator Sanders explained his political philosophy in a speech he delivered at Georgetown University in 2015. (The entire speech can be viewed here.)

        He begins by referring to the New Deal of President Franklin Roosevelt and pointing out the good that it did for a country in the depths of the Great Depression:

        “He saw one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished. And he acted. Against the ferocious opposition of the ruling class of his day, people he called economic royalists, Roosevelt implemented a series of programs that put millions of people back to work, took them out of poverty and restored their faith in government. He redefined the relationship of the federal government to the people of our country. He combated cynicism, fear and despair. He reinvigorated democracy. He transformed the country. . . . And, by the way, almost everything he proposed was called ‘socialist.'”

        The senator then muses on several issues facing the United States, income inequality, unemployment, high rates of childhood poverty, the high cost of medical care, and a declining faith in our political system, among others, and decides that the concentration of wealth and power is both the root cause of them and the key reason why we have failed to solve them. His solution, of course, is “socialism.” It is then that he gives us his conception of what that is:

        “Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy. Democratic socialism means that we must reform a political system in America today which is not only grossly unfair but, in many respects, corrupt.”

        He goes a bit into the particulars of policy and explained that his conception of socialism would require — this is what it would look like — universal health care, total employment, free college education, more public spending, a living wage, environmental regulations, and a robust democratic culture to come into existence. He flatly denied any interest in nationalization, telling the audience:

        “So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this: I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.”

        The contents of this speech were very similar to other statements he has made about socialism across his entire political career. The entire speech could have been summed up neatly in a quote he gave to the Associated Press back in 1997:

        “To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living.”

        Wait a moment, praise for the New Deal? No interest in nationalization? That definition sounds a lot like capitalism!

         

        You might have noticed that this program focuses on making capitalism work better and not replacing it with an entirely new system based on social ownership. This has made his definition of socialism a matter of contention.

        While “socialism” is a system based around replacing private ownership of the means of production with social ownership, which generally means having the workers own and operate them instead — either through cooperatives or the state — Bernie hasn’t shown much of an interest in using the government to promote this change.

        Bernie’s explanation of “socialism” is, in fact, closer to what political philosophers refer to as “social democracy.” This is a capitalist system, since the means of production are still privately owned, where the state heavily regulates the economy and has an active welfare system in place to correct for the worst problems inherent to capitalism like inequality, cyclic instability, or the profit motive encouraging people to do things against the public interest.

        snip

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          You say:

          While “socialism” is a system based around replacing private ownership of the means of production with social ownership, which generally means having the workers own and operate them instead — either through cooperatives or the state — Bernie hasn’t shown much of an interest in using the government to promote this change.

          In fact, Bernie’s recent policy proposal about corporate accountability includes provisions that encourage worker ownership of the business.  You can find it at:

          https://berniesanders.com/issues/corporate-accountability-and-democracy/

          Two of the provisions are:

           

          • Guarantee a Right of First Refusal. Under this plan, workers will be given the right to buy a company when it goes up for sale, is closing, or if a factory is moving overseas and will receive financial assistance from the U.S. Employee Ownership Bank to make that possible.

          • Create Worker Ownership Centers. Under this plan, worker ownership centers, modeled after successful programs in Ohio and Vermont, will be established in every state and regional center in the country. These centers will educate retiring business owners and workers about the benefits of employee ownership. It has been estimated that with education and financial assistance from the federal government between 150,000 to 300,000 retiring owners of small to mid-sized businesses could sell their companies to their workers.

          You are correct that Bernie’s general stance is not “socialism” per se; as others have pointed out, the more correct term would be “social democracy”.  But then again, few people in this country — myself included — would go for full-blown socialism, i.e. state ownership of the means of production, including a centralized command-and-control economy directed by the state.  I don’t like the centralized model, certainly not as the sole way things are set up.  Some things, yes.  I think public utilities should be owned by the applicable entities, i.e. states or even cities, rather than private firms.  But if workers owned those firms, I expect they would operate more fairly than they do now.  I rather like the idea of worker ownership in general, and Bernie has a plan for that — which btw, Elizabeth does not.

          Speaking of Elizabeth, she looks appealing at first.  But like others, I have been dismayed to find out what a dissembler she really is.  I had no idea until a few short months ago, how she had in fact used the false notion of being Native American to advance herself.  And watching her stammer and hem and haw whenever confronted with a tough question, or when asked to commit to a real position like Medicare for All, has been edifying as well.  But even apart from that, my main concern with her has been that she is too malleable.  Even if she is for some great progressive issue, she is all too willing to water it down the minute any pressure is put on her.  If that’s how she is on the campaign trail, she will be that way only more so as President.  This concern of mine has only increased as the primary has continued.

          You seem to be chiding us for supporting Sanders and criticizing Warren.  Hey, this is a primary.  That’s when the candidates running within a party try and differentiate themselves, which implies critiques of others’ positions vis a vis their own positions.  In turn, we voters get to critique the various candidates.  And as Warren herself pointed out, what’s the point of a presidential primary, if all one has to say is why we can’t do things.

          Also, you seem to be saying that since Sanders is not a “real” socialist (rather purist of you), we should go with Warren, as someone who can get things done (sounds horribly familiar).  Yet Bernie has already gotten so much done:  he completely flipped the script last time around, such that our national political discussion now includes the idea of socialism, among other things — that was unthinkable until the 2016 primary season happened.  He has many tangible accomplishments as well, as a legislator and even as a campaigner — just ask Jeff Bezos.  My position is, let’s go with the real deal, and the real deal in this country at this time is Sanders.

           

          • #189777

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            I have said for years (go look at my past posts) that Sanders falsely-self labelling as a democrat socialist when he is simply a bog standard social democrat is self-destructive in the reactionary American political environment. It gives the RW a false hammer to pound all Democrats as socialists (and in the US that is a short leap to the even more ridiculous label of ‘Omg commies!’.) It is a waste of time and valuable political capital to try and re-do a globally accepted definition (at both academic and every-day life levels) of socialism. It is self-destructive and unnecessary.

            I would love to see (out of all the candidates) Sanders win, but I also would not go the route of utter antipathy towards Warren that I see so many on here take. IF Bernie doesnt get the numbers to win (and it is s agood bet that he will not) then surely people here would rather have Warren than Biden as POTUS. I understand if some simply will not vote for any Dummicrat (Iassume that the vast majority of these do not consider Sanders a Democrat) but I do not think that is the majority stance here. Perhaps I am now wrong. I have not been active here for a long, long time (I go back to the very beginning of JPR, the dot org days.)

            I have been consistent since I joined on my criticism of the Bernie self-labelling thing. I think it hurts his chances and opens up any and all progressive candidates to false criticism by the RW. I absolutely can understand the preference for Sanders over Warren, hell, as I stated, that would be my choice too, if I could vote in the US, but it seems over the top to spend so much time shredding (not say you are doing that) and slagging off Warren (by far the next closest to Bernie in terms of programmes, philosophy, etc amongst the remaining Dummicrats, now that Gabbard has abandoned MFA). Just my tuppence.

            cheers

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              If Bernie is out, IMO that means that Warren or Biden or whoever else the DNC really wants is IN.   I doubt that Bernie would be out during the primaries, unless the DNC has some really masterful rigging and cheating in place.  If Bernie is out for some reason before the Florida primary, I will not bother voting unless there is something else on the ballot I am interested in.  And I have to keep in mind that the DNC rigs and cheats in the primaries, and they have stated that legally they have a right to do so.   So why would I get all excited about that sort of thing, really.  I doubt those millions of votes in California in the general election were valid, and here in Florida, DWS is quite proud of fixing elections.  Only a numb-nut would approach this whole thing in a starry-eyed manner.

              Warren vs Biden – as you know, this is not a Democratic Party based board.  Yes, there are many of us who will only vote for the Democrat if that Democrat is Bernie.  The assumption that we will vote for any Democrat because of Trump!!!  Russia!!! was wrong last time and will be just as wrong in 2020.   If Bernie is not the candidate, I will not be interested in the Democratic Party any more.  I have fully #demexited, on paper and in my heart.  This is not a soccer match, where there are only two teams to root for.  I don’t care about either team.  So I will vote against them both.  Neither party means well for me, and I am done with lesser evil thinking.  Been done.  And it is becoming crystal clear that the owners of both parties are sitting in the same skybox, swilling fine champagne and brandy, and splitting the gate and the concessions money, and promising the fans that they will do better next season.  Laughing like merry loons all the while.

              Another mistake I think people are making is to somehow think the people here are looking for advice and instruction.  For the most part, people are expressing their own views, not telling others how they should vote.   Not even Bernie could induce me to vote for Warren, and everybody else advocating that is meaningless to me.  Just noise.  I don’t really care what they think.

              If Bernie is not the nominee I may eschew the political internet altogether, because, again IMO, there will be swarms of unsavory DNC shills circling Bernie’s supporters, spewing as many lies and false promises as pimps at a bus station looking for young people right off the bus.  I am certainly not going to vote for someone who is a capitalist to her bones and loves the markets and war.  Whose only problem with that bloated MIC budget is that the lobbyists need more regulations.  FFS.  Not a chance.  Warren is no less a friend to Wall Street and the MIC than Hillary is.  I will not enable that with my one little vote that may or may not even be counted.  So – general election – Bernie or Green.

              I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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    • #188693

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      anti-sanders for a long time and pretty obvious.

    • #188697

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      Boy. Bye.

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      @stockholmer With all due respect, expat Englishman in Sweden, you sound like an old, comfortable boomer on SV saying the term “socialist” is a political killer. It’s not anymore in this country. You are living in the past. This is a relatively recent change, but it has already happened.

      The political killer word for 2020 will be “corrupt,” not “socialist.” Bernie will crush Trump or Pence with at least 325 electoral college votes if he is the Democratic nominee. Mark my words, he will carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin plus all the states Hillary did and probably a few more, like North Carolina and Arizona. He’s even leading Trump in Texas right now, not to mention Utah. No shit, Utah.

      Warren might beat him if we slide into a major recession that people feel. It’s possible. But if you think Biden is at all acceptable to anyone remotely progressive or has any chance whatsoever of even winning the nomination, much less the general, you really are demonstrating your ignorance of American politics. His support is soft, he’s always been a fader, he’s already begun to slide, and it isn’t even Thanksgiving yet. You know, that wonderful American holiday of family, gluttony, and real barbarian football.

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        OB, you know I detest Groper Joe, he is a horrid candidate, and I would much prefer Sanders to any other Dummicrat. I just, as you know, disagree on the socialist self-labelling, as I have said for years. I do think Sanders would have a decent shot at Rump IF he just stopped (I fear it is too late) giving the RW a false hammer to slag him (and all other Dems) with via the incorrect self-labelling as a socialist, when he is (as I have pointed out countless times) a bog standard social democrat. I also think that if it is not Bernie, then Warren is as close as you can get atm, so do not agree with the detest I see for her (at least to the level by some) She is vastly better than Biden, if not as good as Sanders, especially as Gabbard has caved in on MFA.

        Congratulations by the way, you are the first person in my life who was ever compare me to an old moderate boomer! I am one of the most radical posters on the this board, just not easily pigeonholed into certain paradigms.

        Have a happy Thanksgiving (it isn’t for  weeks) and try to catch some REAL football (ie. The EPL and my team, Chelsea) lolol

        KTBFFH

         

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    I don’t know how Warren felt about gays. I do know how Bernie Sanders has felt. In 1983, he signed a proclamation recognizing Gay Rights Day in Burlington.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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