#DEMEXIT: How to successfully start a third party

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    Fugitive Birdie
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  • #284335

    Betty Karlson
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    I’d even support scorched earth, so scorched earth light is fine by me.

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      joentokyo
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      Before long that will be clear to all.

      “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves” ~ French philosopher Bertrand de Jouvenel (1903-1987)

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    Pam2
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    .. a third party isn’t going to be able to win.

     

  • #284429

    RobertFromNC
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    I am starting to think that going the third party route is the correct one for progressives. I also do normally like Kim Iverson.

    With that being said, I do not agree with this video at all.

    No, I do not want to compromise our agenda to work with Trump voters(unless you mean getting some to vote for candidates who are progressive across the board on all issues), I think that we can have a successful progressive movement without compromising our ideals. I don’t want anti-immigrant, socially conservative “progressives”.

    I disagree that Teddy Roosevelt’s “Bull Moose” Party wasn’t successful. No, it didn’t win the presidency or congressional majorities, but it did succeed in getting it’s ideas out and it’s agenda was eventually passed when the New Deal was enacted. Teddy’s “Square Deal” was an earlier version of the New Deal and an inspiration of the New Deal. Not to mention that it did also shake up the electorate. Remember that the progressive movement started in the Republican Party and that they left the Republican Party and eventually joined the Democrats.

    Finally, I disagree that the wars Teddy Roosevelt supported and was in were good. This was the bad aspect of Teddy Roosevelt. There have been humanitarian justifications for our modern wars as well “spreading democracy”. So what if we didn’t go into Iraq because of lobbying by oil industry or defense contractors, would it have made the Iraq War a good idea? No, it still would have been a horrible idea with the same disastrous results and not worth the cost. In fact, I would argue that they were much worse from a purely moral point of view, Teddy’s foreign policy(as well as the Spanish-American War in which he fought in) were literally based and fought on the idea of colonialism.

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      Fugitive Birdie
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      But we do need to peel off many people who may have voted for Trump.

      I know a few of them and one thing that is a red line for them is immigration policy.  I always tell them not to blame the immigrants who are often the victims.  But we do need to either avoid this topic or find commoon ground.

      The rest of the issues I think are easier to find common ground.

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        rampart
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        @fugituve birdie

        1. the employers are responsible for the most abusive immigration practices. employers need to be apprehended and treated as harshly as the law allows.
        2.  illegal immigration depresses wages and conditions for american working class.

        any appeals to humanitarian treatment or requiring fair labor laws and occupational safety and health laws are futile.

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          Fugitive Birdie
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          I was able to impress upon those Trump supporters that Bernie recognizes that the current immigration situation creates an underclass of undocumented labor with no protections that corporations and the rich love to reduce wages and bust unions.

    • #284491

      rampart
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      the 1912 progressive party platform is relevant today.

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    ColorsoftheRainbow
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    A part of what Kim Iversen is getting at are possible realignments of the two major United States political parties—the Republican and Democratic parties.

  • #284526

    rampart
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    still the very definition of “establishment.”

    the progressive candidate in 1968 was gene mccarthy, who was exceeded by rfk. rfk would have won, but did not survive until the convention.

    bernie was offered the green nomination in 2016, but kept his word to support ms clinton.

    “populists” can be as different as william jennings bryan , huey long, and george wallace. i’m a fan of leftist populists. i’m not even sure the others (with their lineage from the dixiecrats to the reform party to the tea party to trump. ) are worth reeducation.

    the libertarians may be ok on culture issues, but their ayn rand economics are too far fetched for any kind of  compromise.

     

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