Democratic chairman ‘unconvinced’ by arguments to slash defense budget, but open to debate

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    • #370464
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Or why Democrats are worthless, part CCXCV, from The Hill:

      The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee said Wednesday he is “unconvinced” that the defense budget can support deep cuts, but left the door open to the possibility should Democrats win in November.

      “I am unconvinced that our national security policy would be what it needs to be if we cut the defense budget by 10 or 20 recent,” Chairman Adam Smith (D-Wash.) told reporters on a conference call Wednesday. “But I am wide open to the conversation and the debate and discussion. I do not presume that I know everything and am absolutely right about this.”

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      In his previous comments, Smith argued a 20 percent budget cut is too large, but acknowledged the likelihood of an intra-party fight on the issue if Democrats control the executive and legislative branches next year.

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      “You have to explain to me that, okay, are we not going to have as many troops in Asia to deter North Korea from invading South Korea and China from invading Taiwan? Are we going to reduce even further our footprint in Africa and then cede that area more to China and to Russian mercenaries? Well, what are the implications there? Is there an argument for that?” Smith said. “I want to have that debate, and I want to have that discussion.”

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      MotherFUCKER. He just had to throw in Russian mercenaries, didn’t he? Got any evidence for any Russian mercenaries anywhere in Africa? Huh? No, of course he doesn’t. As for Chinese influence, how about competing with China on their own terms, like building schools and hospitals and roads and bridges and stuff, instead of sending the gods-damned Special Forces? And just how much in bribes has this Democrat accepted from the MIC? Inquiring minds want to know.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #370466
      N2Doc
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      Cuts in the defense budget might mean less money for Mr. Smith and cronies.

    • #370471
      jbnw
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      Why should we leave our footprints all over?

    • #370478
      Punxsutawney
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      You know for those that benefit from it. Which isn’t any of us I would think.

      Mr. Smith’s district probably does benefit from all the military in Washington.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #370492
      gordyfl
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      Kamala voted against it. Shortly thereafter she was chosen VP nominee. Coincidence?

    • #370503
      jwirr
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      That leader needs to read “The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers” by Paul Kennedy. I suspect that there has never been an empire that was actually good for the world one of their big reasons for big military spending has always been to get rich. The end result of empire is greed on the part of the leaders and leads to the fall of the leaders relationship with the people it is supposed to represent.

      I don’t know about the rest of you but I feel no real connection with any of my leaders anymore. The closest is with Governor Walz who keeps us informed about what Minnesota is doing about our problems.

      jwirr

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      HassleCat
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      A couple hours ago, we discussed icebreakers. Congress could earmark $3 billion for a new icebreaker and mandate that the Coast Guard operate it. That way, the MIC would get more, more, more and some of that military excess would do something useful. maybe earmark another $2 billion for a new Navy hospital ship. Earmark another $1 billion for a multi-force humanitarian rescue force. Another $1 billion might go to UN peacekeeping operations. The MIC doesn’t have to kill people to be happy, as long as they get their money.

    • #370572
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @jwirr Bernie lost me when he endorsed Biden, as did most of the Squad and elected progressive Democrats. Their unanimous support of the CARES Act, the greatest transfer of wealth upwards in human history, finished the job.

      My Democratic County Executive cut my pay. Only my Republican governor, and sometimes the Auditor and Attorney General, have done things that even made sense as decent governing or moved at all in the direction of justice.

      Ohio’s politicians just generally suck.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #370573
      Yanath
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      Fucking bizarro-world. Most Americans are blissfully unaware that their political leadership consists primarily of a gaggle of lunatics, mostly with sociopathic tendencies.

    • #370576
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @hasslecat Old-style Yankee paying of smugglers’ bribes and Texas horse-trading in political pork barrel. JFK and LBJ understood that well. Why do you think NASA had such strong support from the MIC for a time?

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #370577
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @yanath What’s next? “We can’t let the Democrats take the blame for the loss of Taiwan and South Korea to the Communists?”

      I feel like I’ve been timewarped to 1950.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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      rudycantfail
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      Yanath
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      @ohiobarbarian

      It’s the US who prevents it; facts you are doubtless aware of.

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      Earthartist
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      Adam Smith was my rep. He was pretty good with the Iraq war stuff at first, then just watching him sell out like all the Washington state war mongers but Seattle’s. Kilmer lied his way through election and then gave everyone the middle finger Denny heck did the same  the generals and the mic own washington, it is one reason we left. The Democrat are all the same lessor of evil at every stage!

      Earthartist

    • #370591
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @yanath Which is increasingly unquestioned by Democrat Party loyalists, like Smith and the liberal chumps in the middle class who send him and his consultancies money.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #370592
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      @rudycantfail

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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      sadoldgirl
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      Well, Chairman Smith, if you are so concerned about

      China and Russia, why don’t we first get out of Afghanistan

      after 20 years? What are we still doing in Libya? Why do

      we try to block with our Navy Venezuela?

      Btw, Sir, WE use mercenaries, not Russia,; but I

      suppose you got just mixed up a bit.

    • #370595
      jerry611
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      When Trump talks about the “deep state,” these are the types he’s talking about. The MIC, the CIA, and the entrenched neocons and neolibs that have fully embraced the Wolfowitz doctrine. The defense policy that claims the United States is the world’s only super power, and that all focus, resources, and foreign policy should be directed at maintaining that status. That means any potential rival, we need to maintain an adversarial relationship with.

      This policy is DEEPLY entrenched in D.C.

      The Russia interference scandal was not necessarily to get rid of Trump. That wasn’t going to happen because there was really nothing there. The purpose was to vilify the Russians in the media and that national discourse enough to stop Trump from making any foreign policy moves to normalize relations. And it worked. Trump is paralyzed and not able move diplomacy forward. But he also didn’t fall for any of the traps to go to war. He pulled out of Syria despite getting screamed at by everyone in Washington.

      If Biden wins, the “deep state” will have their puppet. Don’t be shocked if we are in another war in a few years.

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