Democratic establishment reaches boiling point with Tulsi Gabbard

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      JonLP
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      Tulsi Gabbard trashed the Democratic Party as “not the party that is of, by and for the people,” accused Kamala Harris of trafficking in “lies and smears and innuendo” and attacked Pete Buttigieg as naive.

      Her performance at Wednesday’s debate earned an attaboy from the Trump War Room. And some rank-and-file Democrats are at wit’s end with the congresswoman who Hillary Clinton called “the favorite of the Russians.”

      “The question is whether she seriously hopes to be the nominee or if she has another agenda … her attacks on other candidates and her positions on issues seem very personal, not so much about a set of policies or worldview,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.). Bernie Sanders has “a coherent set of principles. Elizabeth Warren’s the same. I don’t perceive a fixed set of principles or worldview on her part.”

      Demonstrating how divisive her campaign has become, the Trump War Room tweeted out a video clip of Gabbard attacking her own party with a “100” emoji. It received 4,500 retweets and 15,000 likes.

      “She sort of seems to be filling a pretty strange lane. Is there a part of the party that hates the party?” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). “It’s a little hard to figure out what itch she’s trying to scratch in the Democratic Party right now.”

      https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/11/21/tulsi-gabbard-dems-072672

    • #228960
      Hobbit709
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      Good for her. She’s saying the things that need to be told to the corporate whores’ faces.

      Funny how “And some rank-and-file Democrats are at wit’s end with the congresswoman” that are quoted are Senators.

      I didn’t know Senators are included in “rank and file.”

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #228962
      ThouArtThat
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      @jonlp

      Hi jlp,

      What itch? The itch to neuter and eliminate the Vichy Dem infestation within the Democratic Party.  Further  proof of how out of touch the wealthy donor-centric dems have become.  Clearly they need to go.

      TAT

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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      Rather than truth as the authority."
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      The Red Menace
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      The Democratic Party needs to figure out if it’s a political party, or a cult. And if it’s a political party, what sort? Is it an actual, independent party? Or just the Bay Area Branch of the Republican Party? The Democrats haven’t stopped to have even a moment of self-reflection since 1984, and it’s cost them nationwide.

      Also. Also, is that really Richard Blumenthal claiming that Gabbard has no coherent positions or worldview? Because Tulsi’s platform and worldview is pretty damned forthright and consistent, with its focus on ending and avoiding all these undeclared regime change and interventionist wars.

      I guess that maybe the guy who got five deferments and then later on lied about serving in Vietnam might not understand a veteran having an anti-war stance, huh?

    • #228968
      Tokenlib
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      Chris Murphy is a damned idiot. Damn right there is a portion of the party, or a multitude of “former” Democrats who hate the corporate whore party.

      Blindness and denial, they just don’t get it…or want to.

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      Mick063
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      “She sort of seems to be filling a pretty strange lane. Is there a part of the party that hates the party?”

      The answer is technically no. There was a great purge of remnant party dissidents during the last presidential primary and that was preceded three decades earlier by party abandonment of the working class. This was followed by a post convention #DemExit.

      So the correct answer is that there are a lot of progressives that used to be registered Democrats, but are now independents, that hate the party. I personally know exactly to whom Tulsi is speaking to.

      Of course the disconnect of the party leadership is so vast, they are not even aware of the growing progressive hate for their party and so they ask dumb questions like this.

      "I welcome their hatred" Franklin D Roosevelt

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      tk2kewl
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      Blumenthal is an ass.

      Tulsi has a very clear message – use our military for defense and start investing those trillions of dollars at home in our communities.

      Tulsi is in no way making personal attacks.  the DNC is personally attacking her, and she is making them all look like fools so they decide to double down on the stupid and attack her again.

    • #228997
      Punxsutawney
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      Some of us reached the boiling point with the Democratic Party back in the Obama years if not much sooner.

      They need to decide if they are truly a party that is going to represent average people or just the Neoliberal glove on the iron fist.

      Seems like they desperately want to choose the latter. Venal cowards sucking up to the corporate oligarchy.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie

    • #229005
      MizzGrizz
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      I’m at my boiling point with the Democratic Party.

    • #229014
      ravensong
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      Ha! Harris responded with a strawman argument, rather than address the substance of what Tulsi said in her characterization of the Democratic party.

      Tulsi:  The Democratic party is a party full of Vichy New Democrat corporate whores.

      Harris:  You were on Fox News!

      Tulsi spoke truth to power on the national stage.  Thank you for your service, Major Gabbard.

      Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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      Is there a part of the party that hates the party? Well since we have two separate parties in the DNC party – DLC and progressives – I would say yes there is a part of the party that hates the party. That is speaking for myself. After Raygun’s election hardly any of our candidates or elected officials spoke out for us an since Bill Clinton the D party has been moving closer to the Rs and selling out the people who they used to represent. It is that which has divided the party and since they use cheating (false polls, lack of media coverage, voter suppression and other little tricks) to see that the progressives do not get a fair chance as we saw in 2016 there is no reason why the 99% should expect a fair deal this time either. Tulsi speaks for many of us who are not interested in forever wars, religious wars and making the rich richer through wars.

      What I say to the DNC – truth hurts. Wake up before it is too late.

      jwirr

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      Charles
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      If Tulsi has got people discussing the corrupt nature of the Democratic party that’s a good thing.

      She might want to have addressed it differently and made the focus the powers behind the party rather than the party itself. From what I’ve seen on Twitter many took it as a personal affront on them as Democratic voters rather than an attack at those who hold the power over the party.

      It’s going to make her a non starter as a VP pick and will cast a shadow over her if she’s picked for another cabinet position which is unfortunate.

      So while I agree with her in principal I do think it wasn’t the best approach. But no matter how carefully Gabbard had worded it undoubtedly the MSM and powers at be would spin it as negatively as they could…

      Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

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        The Red Menace
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        Gabbard isn’t my first pick in this race, but she is my second. And a lot of that is because of how she speaks. I don’t mean how she sounds, I’m not one of those morons who gets say, pissed off at hearing a Brooklyn Jewish accent. I mean the way she delivers her ideas.

        She says what she means and means what she says. She gives very little room for someone to twist her words around, and when they try (as Peanut Butterjug did in the debate) then they’re the one who come off looking like deceitful asses. She doesn’t waste a lot of time tryign to be folksy, or flailing aroudn in the wind. And she’s not been caught ion the trap of constantly having to go back and self-correct, “What I meant was…” which is one Sanders has stumbled into more than once. She leaves little ambiguity when presenting her ideas.

        Now in all honestly sometimes they’re not the best ideas. Her whole “I’m the one not afraid to say radical islamic terror!” was pretty cringy. But it followed the same style; no one can argue that she didn’t really mean that, or try to find wriggle room to make it something else.

        Gabbard has very little ambiguity and a lot of honesty. She says what she means and she means what she says. And I admire that, even when I don’t agree.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      From the article:

      On Wednesday, she accused Buttigieg of being “willing to send our troops to Mexico to fight the cartels,” a comment that Buttigieg said was “outlandish even by the standards of today’s politics.” And after she lit into the party and the “foreign policy establishment represented by Hillary Clinton and others,” Harris fired back that Gabbard had cozied up to Trump strategist Steve Bannon after the 2016 election and “spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing President Obama.”.

      Politico doesn’t mention that Buttigieg said exactly that, just the previous Sunday, at a Latino forum in Los Angeles. Buttigieg made a weak, weasely, and irrelevant answer that is full of exaggerations and innuendo, and Politico lets the Great Gay Neoliberal Hope slide. I can’t blame Tulsi’s campaign for not responding to that inside-the-Beltway spin machine.

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      Babel 17
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      Trump trolling, and scoring, just indicates that he perceived what he saw as an obvious weakness in the party establishment, and that the party establishment rushed to prove him right.

      And that right there shows how cheap and easy it is for any foreigners to troll our elections. Time for a new establishment.

      We don’t want Bernie on stage by himself in December. The cross-hairs would be on him, and he’d be getting blamed for what his good friends in Russia! did to help him so as to defeat Clinton and make Trump President.

      It will start with the moderators leading everyone on stage in reciting from the DNC Catechism.

      “Russian influence cost Hillary Clinton the election.”

      Only a few dots to connect and then Kamala Harris is noting that Bernie is not even a Democrat, and who does that remind us of? Yes, the Russian stooge and not real Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.

       

    • #229258
      Robot X
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      The Democratic party has morphed from war monger enablers to straight up war mongers themselves. They need to be called out. A combat veteran is the best person do it. She doesn’t stammer, flinch, or blink. Good on her.

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