Democrats concede loss of U.S. congressional seat in California special election

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    • #315193
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democrats lost a seat in the U.S. Congress as Christy Smith, a California state legislator, conceded on Wednesday in a special election in suburban Los Angeles to Mike Garcia, a former Navy fighter pilot endorsed by President Donald Trump.

      “While it’s critical that we ensure every vote is counted and recorded, we believe that the current tally shows Mike Garcia is the likely victor in the May 12th special election. As such, I’d like to congratulate him,” Smith said in a statement.

      Garcia jumped to a significant early lead on Tuesday night over Smith in California’s 25th district, the California secretary of state’s office said. It put Garcia’s share of the vote at 56 percent to 44 percent for Smith.

      Votes are still being tallied in the election, which was largely a mail-in event because of the coronavirus pandemic. However, Smith’s statement made clear she did not expect to overcome the 12-point deficit.

      Full story here.

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    • #315200
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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    • #315207
      jbnw
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      In California, a Democratic candidate can’t win over a Trump-endorsed candidate and loses by 12 percentage points. And this is LA, not an eastern county . . .

    • #315217
      HassleCat
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      “They must have cheated!” Yeah, right. It’s just not possible that voters could fail to be inspired by the fabulous, wonderful Democratic Party and its panoply of centrist candidates. Gosh,no! The Republicans must have cheated. Because Trump Bad!

    • #315223
      Spirochete
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      their objective was to eliminate Cenk Uyger, anyway…

      • #315239
        Joe Shlabotnik
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        n/t

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      • #315705
        Haikugal
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        All progressive candidates must be destroyed, that’s the function of the DNC, the only function.

         

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
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    • #315236
      FedUp
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      The 25th stretches from Simi Valley through Santa Clarita and on into the Palmdale area. It is a working class district that leans R, so this outcome is not surprising. Garcia’s ads touted his military service and the Dem. Christy Smith looks a lot like Katie Hill, who resigned when an affair with a staffer came to light. No doubt some voters thought that was her.

       

    • #315275
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @ohiobarbarian,

      This is the congressional seat formerly of Katie Hill, a 2018 Democratic pickup winner.

      The corrupt, corporate Democrats forced through another of their kind as the nominee.

      It is also the seat in which The Young Turks’s Cenk Uygur tried to win at least the nomination.

      I’m very pleased the Ds lost it.

      It would be even more pleasing if they fail to win it back in November.

    • #315293
      mrdmk
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      It was mainly mail-in voting with a few polling stations, somewhat new to most of California.

      There are no numbers as too how many people voted, how much money was spent and so-forth. Also mentioned above, a Democrat running as a Republican. Smith also mocked Garcia’s military record. Hill took this seat from a Republican. The usual stupid shit.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

      • #315337
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        I read that its a seat that usually goes R (in recent decades)

        • #315761
          ArtfromArk
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          You are correct. Since 1993, a Democrat has held that seat for only a few months, and she was forced to resign over a sex scandal, so there was possibly some backlash from that. The district pretty reliably votes for Republican gubernatorial candidates, although it went for Newsom last time. It pretty much flip-flops among presidential candidates, voting for Hillary last time, Romney before that, Obama before that, and Bush twice.

          “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

      • #315405
        Jim Lane
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        @mrdmk

        You write, “There are no numbers as too how many people voted….”  There’s a write-up at the electoral-vote.com website — link — that reports preliminary numbers, which are close to final and shed some light on the result (emphasis added):

        CA-25, a district that was represented by Republicans for 25 years before former representative Katie Hill (D) wrested the seat away from the party, is back in GOP hands again. Mike Garcia (R) appeared to have an insurmountable lead on Tuesday night, and on Wednesday, even though not all the ballots are counted, Assemblywoman Christy Smith (D) reached that conclusion as well and conceded the race.

        Once all the ballots are tallied, Garcia is going to win the district, which has a PVI of even, by about 12 points. There is absolutely no way that the country, the state, or this particular subsection of the state shifted 12 points rightward in two (or four) years. That means this result is inherently wonky. The only question is: How wonky, a little or a lot? Garcia ran a strong campaign in which he emphasized his military record and also hugged Donald Trump very close. That plays well with folks in the northern portion of his district (more exurban/rural), but not so well with folks in the southern portion (more suburban/urban). How much will a general election electorate, particularly one where each voter is armed with a mail-in ballot, change things? And what will happen if Trumpism takes a hit, thanks to COVID-19? These are questions we should get an answer to in November, since Smith and Garcia will both be back for another go-round.

        At least part of the discrepancy between 2020 and 2018 might be explained by turnout. In 2018, 245,000 people voted in the general election. So far in the special election, 149,000 ballots have been counted. There are some ballots remaining, but nowhere near 100,000. It is common that Republicans are more patriotic and vote whenever there is an election, but Democrats have to be cajoled and badgered into voting. If that is the explanation for the wonky result, Smith could yet win in November.

        As the author notes, growing dissatisfaction with the GOP over COVID-19 could help swing the district back to the Democrats.  As against that, if the general election is conducted under ongoing pandemic conditions, as seems likely, that would depress turnout, which could help the Republicans.

        The PVI mentioned in the excerpt is the Cook Partisan Voting Index, a measure of the relative strengths of the two major parties in any particular state or district.  In brief, it compares the district’s results in the two most recent presidential elections with the national popular vote.  A more detailed explanation is in the Wikipedia article.  This district’s PVI of even means that, averaging the 2012 and 2016 results in the voting for President, the district was close to the national average, meaning a slight Democratic edge.

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      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

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    • #315304
      Satan
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      ….and then lose to the Republican.

      Harry Truman said something about that way back in the 1940s. The “establishment democrats” STILL haven’t learned that lesson.

      Maybe they’ll stay out of Cenk’s way in 2022…. assuming anybody’s still alive on that side of Earth’s crust by then.

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #315348
      Captain Arizona
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      DNC keeps telling us evil bernie would cost democrat these seats and in wisconsin too! WARNING! Democrat governors are getting to authoritarian with these shutdowns. Both states we lost congress seats are run by democratic governors. People are getting desperate many can’t get unemployment benefits and some were not eligible for stimulus checks. What has this got to do with lost congress seat? The voters can’t vote against their governors right now ;but they can vote for congress to show their displeasure.

    • #315349
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      It’s no longer the lily-white, sprawling suburban county it was even in the 1990s when a Simi Valley jury infamously refused to convict white cops of shooting an unarmed black man. In 2018, not a single congressional district in the county–there are several–went Republican.

      But the Vichy Dems intervened to make sure that loudmouthed Turkish immigrant from TYT didn’t win the nomination. Voters had a choice between a Pelosi Democrat and a real Republican, and the ones who bothered to jump through all of this year’s hoops to vote voted for the real Republican. I’m sure the Democrat leadership is fine with this. Cenk would never vote for a bad Republican policy, and they like those.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #315385
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      Put forward a conservatives Dem with baggage. And then the voters go for a crazy RepubliCON who is embraced by Trump. Shades of things to come.

       

    • #315418
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      I see comments here from @colorsoftherainbow and @satan that sinister forces “forced” the defeat of Cenk Uygur. In the primary, Cenk, a first-time candidate, got 6.6% of the vote – link – well behind Assemblymember Smith, who had an electoral history in the area.

      Thousands of voters in the primary preferred Smith over Uygur. How, exactly, was this result “forced” upon them?

      Smith had many more endorsements from Democratic politicians than did Uygur. The thing is, that’s allowed. People making endorsements is a normal and accepted part of the political process. People are even allowed to make endorsements of conservatives over progressives.

      • #315423
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        @jimlane I will say that Democrats are allowed to make endorsements of conservatives–Joe Biden endorsed a Republican in Michigan in 2018, for example–but they are definitely committing a faux pas if they endorse a progressive candidate, especially in a primary against a corporate Democrat. The howls of outrage on the other site you go to when Bernie Sanders first endorsed Cenk in this election were quite loud.

        Don’t worry about me, though. I’m not a Democrat, and won’t vote for any of them. Not anymore. You guys do what you guys do. Just don’t tell me I have a duty to support you.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #315491
          Jim Lane
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          @ohiobarbarian

          Howzabout this: I’ll give my reasons for voting for Biden, without implying that you have a duty to agree with me.  In return, you can give your reasons for not voting for Biden, without implying that I have a duty to agree with you.

          Deal?

          As for the “howls of outrage on the other site you go to when Bernie Sanders first endorsed Cenk in this election”, I assume those would be akin to the howls of outrage on this site when Bernie and AOC endorsed Biden.  Just as endorsements are common, it also seems to be common for an endorsement to draw howls of outrage when it displeases the howler.

          • #315512
            Ohio Barbarian
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            @jimlane I think we already know each other’s reasons for voting or not voting for Biden, though. We’ve both been pretty detailed on that front.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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            Especially comparing to it howls of outrage at JPR. The howls of outrage actually spread to DU but it didn’t start there.

             

            They combed through hours of footage to portray Cenk in the worst way possible. It was weird when they even called him an Islamaphobe when he actually said that Bill Maher rents his brain to Sean Hannityon the subject and he split with Dave Rubin over this issue who later exposed himself as a RW fraud.

             

            Meanwhile Biden can receive an endorsement from Bloomberg who made racist & factually incorrect statements about stop & frisk which is unconstitutional policing and he actually ramped it up more than Giuliani. Biden did not have to take back his endorsement no moral outrage except by Cenk for calling out the hypocrisy.

             

            These narratives against Sanders and his supporters were very damaging and hypocritical. Progressives are losing the information war badly. Look how easily it was to sink Sanders campaign with week long coverage of him articulating nuance regarding Cuba and it hurt.

             

            Cuba even has little to no homeless and I was homeless in this country. It is unbelievable we can’t talk about these things.

             

            The same thing happened with Rogan who isn’t even a partisan Democrat. He is too open minded by platforming hosting questionable people but again Bloomberg’s policies hurt real people especially minorities. Not to mention his toxic workplace environment for women.

             

            All this is nothing compared to howls on outrage on this small board which I disagreed with.

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      • #315436
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        and a million ways to skin the cat.

        You pay attention long enough, you see the bogus Total Recall election instigated to impede normal results

        with absolutely abnormal and inexplicable numbers across the multitude of pathetic nobodies and namealike candidates buried beneath the finest trove of protest candidates ever assembled, along with the gropenator, whose titty pinching was widely covered, except perhaps in local news within the state. Meanwhile, Cruz Bustamante, the heir apparent and likeliest hispanic to take the office in what, a century and a half? gets the shaft in the name of white supremacy (a key ingredient in all things) WHILE THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THE BALLOT WAS A DRIVING WHILE BROWN TYPE MEASURE.

        Quite controversial at the time, IT PASSED BIG TIME.

        meanwhile, the spreadsheet of results suggested some extremely unlikely things.

        A number of years later, the local election official resigns unexpectedly (and mysteriously), replaced by Brandi Orth, the lady who helped kabosh GMO labeling Prop 37 by obscenely marking up the price of a necessary recount.

        That is what California is all about.

        In fact, it is what our entire system is about.

        Gaming the people and trashing the vote.

        They need paid for supporters to flood the narrow corridors of (no you cant) “discussion” with phony sports fan/media addict bullshit. because people really arent that stupid. But they are that discouraged. Which is a crucial goal.

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        ColorsoftheRainbow
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        @jimlane (also @ohiobarbarian),

        The corrupt, corporate, Democratic Party Establishment sold out a good 40 years ago. A good amount of people are catching on. So, what the corrupt, corporate, Democratic Party Establishment is doing is trying to make sure—as much as they can—control who specifically gets nominated for elected office. From the presidency, right down to every office, of the United States.

      • #315707
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        It’s that the corporate media doesn’t allow them to know that any other candidates EXIST.

        Cenk – being a former employee of MSDNC, as well as the CEO of his own independent media company- was certainly more aware of this reality than most other candidates. But when he challenged Smith to debates, she was a chickenshit and wouldn’t accept them. Apart from that one event where all the candidates from both parties showed up… and even then she refused to actually debate against Cenk as much as possible.

        If not for the Clinton Telecommunications Act of 1996 & Shittizens United, the media wouldn’t be able to squeeze out the candidates NOT favored by the corporations so easily.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #315584
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      Can’t cenk run in primary for november election? Also if biden wins people stop hating trump and start hating corporate establishment crony capitalist democrats and 2010 happens all over again. Trump wins establishment democrats will be totally discredited even worse then 2016 and AOC gets the nomination in 2024. And yes america will still be around in 2024.

      • #315702
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        @captainarizona

        Because of the vacancy caused by Katie Hill’s resignation, there was a special election this week to fill the seat for the remainder of her term.  This is separate from the regular election this fall for the next Congress.  Both primaries were held simultaneously in March.  In each primary, the winners were Christy Smith and Mike Garcia.  In this week’s special election, Garcia defeated Smith and will serve until January.  Garcia and Smith move on to a rematch in November for the full two-year term.

        Under California’s “jungle primary” system, all the candidates, regardless of party, run in a single primary.  Only the top two can advance to the general election.  This system sometimes produces a general election in which both remaining candidates are from the same party.  For CD-25, the top two candidates were one Democrat and one Republican, but the point is that none of the people who lost in the primary can get onto the general-election ballot as a minor-party or independent candidate.

    • #315693
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @jimlane, in response to @ohiobarbarian, writes:

      “Howzabout this: I’ll give my reasons for voting for Biden, without implying that you have a duty to agree with me.  In return, you can give your reasons for not voting for Biden, without implying that I have a duty to agree with you.”

      Jackpine Radicals is not a discussion site whose purpose is to promote and/or serve the Democratic Party.

      • #315718
        Haikugal
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        It is exactly that. A place where we can express ourselves fully without expecting to be banned or attacked. We don’t follow the dems in lock step, we are free thinkers and adults capable of making up our own minds.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
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