Democrats F**K IT UP AGAIN! – Sen. Susan Collins WINS Maine After Democrat Sara Gideon Concedes

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    • #374815
      Segami
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      Republican Sen. Susan Collins has won reelection in Maine, edging out Democrat Sara Gideon in one of 2020’s most closely watched races. Gideon called Collins on Wednesday to concede the race, Collins said during a press conference later that day. Holding on to Collins’ seat marks a key victory for Republicans in their quest to maintain control of the Senate.

      Collins, the most senior Republican woman in the Senate, has handily won reelection in past years, but headed into Election Day this year in a virtual tie in polling with Gideon, Maine’s House speaker. Independents Lisa Savage and Max Linn were also on the ballot this year, but trailed significantly behind Collins and Gideon throughout the race.

       

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    • #374818
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      The real Republican beats the Democrat who acts like a Republican. They’ll never learn because they don’t want to do anything for the middle and working classes.

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    • #374825
      jerry611
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      Collins is a slippery one. She knows how to play the game.

      Maine is a very quirky state politically. And she knows it like the back of her hand.

    • #374829
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #374833
      Jan Boehmerman
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      Git yer dragon anatomy right, @satan ! 😉

    • #374839
      mrdmk
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      Democrats rely on Republican Think Tanks too much i.e. talking points

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #374858
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      Or maybe folks just got a little lazy. Damn those lazy voters! Clearly this is Bernie’s fault.  

      "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

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      Snort McDork
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      It was supposed to be a blowout. Joey was supposed to roll over Chump out of the gate. We are being run by the dumbest selfish f**ks on the planet. They don’t take a stand on anything. They are bona-fide POS. Period. End of story. I really thought Lisa Savage had a shot at this. I wanted her to win this. But apparently voters like to be F’d in the ass by this bitch Collins. What other conclusion can one draw from this?

       

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      Obviously, a candidate who supported Medicare for All, a $15 federal minimum wage, and free public college tuition would romp to victory.

      Some of you may remember Swearengin. Two years ago, she ran in the Democratic primary against incumbent Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), arguably the most conservative Democrat in the Senate. Her fervent support on JPR didn’t translate into votes; Manchin was re-nominated and re-elected.

      In this cycle, Swearengin tried again. She won the Democratic nomination. In the general election, however, she fared far worse than did Sara Gideon, who at least made it close. Swearengin lost by more than 30 percentage points.

      In Maine, people had the option of rejecting both Gideon and Collins, and instead voting for Lisa Savage, the only candidate who advocated Medicare for All. Because Maine has implemented RCV, support for Savage wasn’t even subject to the “spoiler” problem. People could vote Savage to send a message and then pick Gideon as a second choice to help her beat Collins if Savage didn’t make it. Nevertheless, Savage is getting only about 4% of the first-choice vote.

      There’s a natural human tendency to shy away from hard choices. It’s pleasing to think “The set of policy positions that I prefer is also the set that offers the best chance of electoral success.” That simplistic analysis just doesn’t hold up. The electorate tends to be well to the right of the JPR consensus.

    • #374889
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      @jimlane Besides, winning isn’t everything, and politicians generally don’t get elected if they offer voters nothing except “We suck less,” which has been the modus operandi of the Democratic Party in all but two elections since 1988. The exceptions are 1992 and 2008.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      That is very conservative state that shouldn’t be compared to Maine. Besides Manchin endorsed Collins.

      Maybe Democrats instead of lighting that Senate money on fire in McGrath and other races and send it to Swearingen.

       

      Well to the right of JPR? There is massive propaganda and misinformation in favor for Republicans & moderates. Why did Florida vote for a $15 minimum wage but not Biden?

      I will say the centrists are ruthless when it comes to winning primaries against progressives but are weak against the GOP.

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      Anyone who thought McConnell was going to go down in KY was in dreamland. I can’t believe how much money they threw at that shit. Just as bad as the people who kept pouring tons of money into Lindsay Graham’s race. Graham won it by 12 points! Either the GOP is damn good at baiting Democrats wasting their money on foolish endeavors or the Democrats are just damn foolish.

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        the can boost their ego by boasting that they voted for the “winner”. It never enters their mind that their candidate is an incumbent, because of how corrupt and self-serving S/He is to have kept that position for so long.

        We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
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      There’s a natural human tendency to shy away from hard choices. It’s pleasing to think “The set of policy positions that I prefer is also the set that offers the best chance of electoral success.” That simplistic analysis just doesn’t hold up. The electorate tends to be well to the right of the JPR consensus.

      Much as there is a certain drinking game level hilarity at your your attempts to put progressives in their place, or whatever, with condescension – it is quite illogical for progressives to think that the electoral success of non-progressive positions bodes any good for them.  So are you actually saying discard your progressive opinions, the only important thing is winning?  Because no matter how you hector, that is not going to happen.  Biden/Vichy Dems doing anything progressive is not going to happen, either – Biden actually said so.  With a grin, I believe.  He beat the Socialist!

      I understand that perhaps, for lawyers, winning is the most important thing, whether the defendant is guilty or not.  Thus the hammering away at “electoral success”.   We have a different set of beliefs here, and we understand that the winning team is not going to be progressive, we just do not see why we should bend the knee and help them.    You are the one attempting to make bending the knee a simple choice.  And Biden is not going to be better than Trump, just be as bad or worse in a different, Democratic Party-approved way.  There was nothing for progressives to vote for.  And for some of us it is better to endure the long slow slog of trying to get progressives elected than to endure the fucking never going to happen slog of thinking Vichy Dems are going to be progressive.  We all get to decide that for ourselves.


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      @djean111 Perfectly true, in fact.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #374955
      Jim Lane
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      @djean111

      You ask, “So are you actually saying discard your progressive opinions, the only important thing is winning?”

      No, of course I’m not saying that.  Your post is so full of distortions and straw-man arguments that, frankly, I’m not going to bother to go through them one by one.  You have an imaginary version of me, and you can just keep right on criticizing him.  Everyone should have a hobby.

      And if you think that remark was condescending, well, I obviously think that condescension was appropriate here.

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      “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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      @jerry611

      Both parties are supported by people who have to earn a living either by hook or by crook, and a bunch of them, from both parties, saw some extra cash from the increased funding levels of those races. McConnell ended up spending extra dough as well, so more money for those who worked for, or got got paid to aid, his campaign.

      This is how the military industrial complex works. Sell advanced weapons to a nation, now it’s neighbor feels a need to go shopping.

      But with elections we have a whole class of commentators who get a boost to their importance when extra money gets spent on political contests. They’ll get/they’ve gotten paid to write articles and books about this election cycle, and the talking heads don’t have to have their programs do investigative journalism, they just have conversations with each other, invite guests on to do more of that, and bloviate about what everybody who’s been paying attention already knows.

      People buy into their crap because so much money is getting invested into the publicity for the elections. I say “publicity” because the billions of dollars that just got spent on the 2020 elections didn’t get us meaningful debates, or a meaningful dialogue.

      Remember all the time that was spent on discussing our failed wars, and the resulting horror show of misery in the Middle East*, during the run-up to election day? Me neither, because it never happened, especially not in the primary debates/Trump – Biden debates, because they are under the direct influence of the corporations that own the media. And they’ve profited off those wars.

      *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

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      And, actually, I was thinking that your attempts to turn progressives into Democrats must be a sort of weirdly unsatisfying hobby.  Anyway, looks like your guy Biden may have “won”, so it appears the Dems didn’t need us after all.  And what we do in our spare time is really not your business, no matter how much you try and make it so.  Cheers!  (And your condescending stuff is funny.  Honestly, drinking game level!   Just saying.)  Over and out!


      @jimlane

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        Thank you, @djean111. Very well said.

        If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

    • #375128
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      ..is not really a refutation of the “run progressives and progressives will win”strategy,@jimlane,for several reasons.I’m speaking as a  native West Virginian here.

      Number one,Paula was running against an established West Virginia political personality.Shelley Moore Capito is the daughter of a very popular governor who did good things for the state (even if he was a crook),and name recognition gets you far in my home state.If the voters know you,you’re just about guaranteed the race for as long as you can walk.Our Senator,Robert Byrd,was in a wheelchair and in worse shape than Biden toward the last,but he held his office till he died.

      Number two,Paula had good Policies,but her personality negated them.She has a bit of the Hillary/Palin bossiness about her,and that turned people off.

      Number three,West Virginians as a rule have to be educated out of the idea that progressive policies mean an end to their livelihoods.Coal industries have sunk a lot of money into propaganda telling them that transitions to alternative energy means they’ll all be out of work.It didn’t help that Hillary was gloating about putting miners out of work.What do you think they’re going to do when a woman who reminds them of Hillary says”vote for me”?

      That’s why Paula Jean,and West Virginia,are a special case this time around.

    • #375154
      Jim Lane
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      @MizzGrizz

      You list several important local factors other than policies that affected the electoral result.

      I completely agree with you, except that I don’t think you go far enough.  Every election is a special case.  There are always important local factors affecting the result.

      The tendency to conflate “what I want” with “what will win” leads to selective application of this principle.  If a progressive Democratic nominee loses, it’s because the Republican was Arch Moore’s daughter, etc.  On the other hand, if a progressive candidate loses in the primary, and the more conservative candidate who wins the Democratic primary then loses in the general election, it’s because the Democrats f**ked up by not nominating a progressive.

      This exemplifies cherry-picking facts to fit a preconceived theory.  There were special factors in Maine, too.  Collins had the advantages of incumbency and name recognition.  As @jerry611 pointed out, she’s also a slippery one with a detailed knowledge of Maine from her prior statewide campaigns.  I don’t know enough about Maine to know whether race was a factor, but it wouldn’t surprise me.  (Sara Gideon’s father is from India.)

      Gideon doesn’t support Medicare for All.  She became the Democratic nominee by getting 71% of the vote in the Democratic primary against two opponents who do support it.  The “Democrats f**ked up” theory says, in effect, that if only those 116,000 people who voted for Gideon had listened to JPR, they would have instead nominated Betsy Sweet or Bre Kidman, who would then have beaten Collins.  I don’t find that plausible.

    • #375267
      MizzGrizz
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      @jimlane.It matters a lot in every election.Politics are like show business,the public’s got to know you.And then they get used to you,and vote for you out of habit.

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