Democrats insult progressives by saying we should vote for Biden because Bernie says so.

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    • #303143
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Not only that, but they showcase their own rank hypocrisy when they do. For the last four years, Democrats and their media allies have described Trump supporters as ignorant idiots precisely because they support Trump no matter what he says or does for the past four years.

      Now they will tell us that if we don’t do as Bernie says then that must mean we don’t believe in anything else he has said. IOW, they will chastise us if we don’t act look good little cultists or groupies and do what we are told by our Leader.

      Well, I’ve got news for them. We didn’t support Bernie Sanders because he was an adorable old curmudgeon with a Brooklyn accent and a sarcastic sense of humor. We supported Bernie because we agreed with his policy ideas because, if implemented, they would transform our daily lives for the better.

      To be fair, this applies to some progressives who initially supported Elizabeth Warren as well. Warren was riding high until she clumsily backed away from supporting Medicare for All, at which time her support in the polls immediately plummeted, and she never recovered. If the Democrats think that if Bernie’s support wouldn’t have sunk as well if he had done the same, they are flat-out wrong.

      In short, progressives do not act like either Trump or Biden supporters in sheepishly following any leader no matter what they have actually done to or for us, and it is an insult to us to tell us that we should, just because one politician said so.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #303146
      xyzse
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      Bernie was just the figure-head of the Movement at the time.  That is because he embodied all the issues and positions that many strive for.

      Now that he’s not promoting them, and just promoting Biden.  He’s now just a regular politician in that sense.

      We don’t have to listen, and I won’t.  Joe is not offering us anything.  He also already got out-lefted by Trump in many respects.  I don’t believe Trump either, but even the tepid crap that Biden was saying is unbelievable.

      Since he will not fight for anything except what would make them the most profits.

      So no, it is not profitable or helps me in any way to vote for him.

      • #303151
        Ohio Barbarian
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        For four years the Vichy Dems have called us a cult. Now, when we refuse to act like cultists, they damn us for thinking for ourselves.


        @xyzse
        I was always taught that as an American, I had a duty to think for myself. Even the Navy didn’t want us to blindly follow any order. Silly Vichy Dems. Insulting the intelligence of voters rarely persuades them to voting for one’s candidate.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #303148
      HalfCentury Man
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      Question to the DNC, as to the largest voting block in American politics; what part of “Independant” do you find confusing?

      Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

      John F. Kennedy: 13 March 1962.

    • #303152
      Populist Prole
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      Great posts so far: right on the money

      I’d like to ask right back to them: We didn’t YOU support Sanders when you knew he was a runaway popular favorite and in to the first primary states? Why did YOU throw every obstacle in his path you possibly could, then de-facto appoint a puppet with oatmeal for brains…and have the utter gall to order us to support this schnook?

       

    • #303161
      djean111
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      sloshing around here in 2016, and during “Russiafake”.  Not a cult, you DNC shills.  You are the cult-members, not us.

      I have been unsubscribing from everything connected with politics.  Feels good.

      • #303170
        JonLP
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        Russia has interfered in every NATO country’s election and they actually don’t try to hide it so it baffles me how it is fake. Also not sure why Trump would try to obstruct an investigation if it was fake. I also read the Mueller report at least 10 times because of the denial from progressives and I’m very interested in what is still redacted. It is likely worse than what has been reported.

        Either way I keep quiet on this and prefer to let law enforcement do it’s job. It is certainly true that Democrats took the facts and exaggerated and weaponize against political opponents which puts me in the middle.

        I’m glad Sanders has chosen to stay sane regarding this issue.

        • #303181
          djean111
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          elections that I find all the hoo-hah about Russia the height of hypocrisy.  Facebook ads?  The Democratic does more than that, hacking and rigging and cheating, before breakfast.  The entire primary system is a joke.  Hillary’s millions of extra votes in California – a joke.  No, sorry, my selective outrage button does not work any more, and I also do not think Russia leaked those damning emails.  If they did –  I thank them profusely.

          Every day, every single day, I am glad Hillary lost.  Trump is a buffoon.  Hillary, IMO, is murderous.


          @jonlp

          • #303186
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            I worry about these evoting machines as well because any one can hack them and rig any race they want not just Russia though there is no evidence they changed votes. They mostly hacked state registered voter databases. They hacked the evoting machine company for Florida. I stress though anyone who wants to hack the election can not just Russia. The governor race in Georgia was obviously rigged because none of the memory cards would work on machines in a Democratic area.

             

            I also agree on Hillary Clinton. The more she spoke this primary season the more I am convinced you’re right we dodged a bullet.

            • #303224
              Ohio Barbarian
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              @jonlp Or do you just mean that anyone with access and knowledge could program electronic vote tabulators? If it’s the second one, I agree with you wholeheartedly, but it is the Vichy Democrat Party that is my prime suspect. They had both motive and opportunity.

              The Russians? They may have had the means, but why would they want a warmonger like Biden to win? They’d be more likely to support Bernie. If you want a foreign suspect, look to Israel.

              It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

              If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

          • #303364
            Junker
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            If the Russians hacked the DNC emails, well thank you very much. The dirty criminals were revealed. If it took the Russians to expose them, then all praise to them. I thought it was some lowly Democrat with a conscience that spilled the beans, but who knows. At least a little TRUTH leaked out. If there were no secrets then we would not need Wikileaks. Dirty scum in service to big money.

    • #303163
      Red Cloud
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      Well I guess we are not a bunch of lock-step automatons. Only Biden, if Bernie VEEP, otherwise go directly to Hell. Do not visit Go. Do not collect $1,200!

    • #303165
      Haikugal
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      • #303227
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @haikugal We’d better keep that meme handy. It’s useful, not to mention truthful.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #303216
      3fingerbrown
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      I will not vote for either one of these 2 republicans since I choose policy over personality or team BS. I like Bernie, but he was my compromise choice all along.  I will be voting Green or no one, but I judge no one at JPR or anywhere else for going with Joe, I just can’t pull that democrat lever anymore.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #303217
      chknltl
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      I did NOT vote for her nor did I vote for Trump.

      I will NOT vote for Biden nor will I vote for Trump.

      Now then, if either party’s nominee wants to represent my Progressive values, I might consider voting that party.

      That said, I will not be holding my breath, nor should they hold their breath in regards to my vote.

      Nuff Said.

    • #303244
      Earthartist
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      Red cloud, 1. the thought of 2 80 year old white men running the country is terrifying. 2. Personally that sanders indorse two war criminals, means I am done with him. 3. Even if they did this he would be shuffled of to the wilderness and never heard from again. This is what they do with VP they don’t want

      Earthartist

    • #303352
      Junker
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      If I wanted somebody like Joe Biden, if I wanted those kinds of policy then I would vote for a Republican.

    • #303360
      David the Gnome
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      What’s absurd about it is that a lot of them also supported Bernie’s policies.  I dont know if it will ever really make sense to me.  Healthcare, student loans, college education, environmental policy.. Bernie was, by far, the superior candidate.  Nothing in Joe’s record recommends him as a good leader.

      Support for the Iraq war, cutting social security, numerous sexual assault allegations, possible dementia, corporate friendly, cant finish a sentence without putting his foot in his mouth.

      He was Obama’s VP, maybe that’s it.  The one thing Obama really had was that he is highly intelligent and well spoken.  A clever damn manipulator, for sure.  Yet policy-wise?  Nope.

      I was one of those millenials that got excited about hope and change… now though…

      I dont really have any hope for change with the two parties and their sick, criminal, corporate-sycophant leaders.  Didnt think I’d ever include Bernie among them, but…

      Some say he dropped out (suspended his campaign, but is effectively done as a candidate in any event) so as not to risk another Wisconsin.  Here is the thing though – it wasnt just Republicans that enabled that, it was also very much Biden and the DNC.

      He never called them out on that, or on vote rigging, or on any of the many things he could have.  Its not fighting dirty, it’s not dishonorable, not when it is the truth.

      So, I have to conclude that Bernie lacked the will, in spite of everything, to really challenge the Democrat establishment.  Why isnt relevant at this point.

      Their despicable, criminal, horrendous behavior only hardens my will to work against them as hard as I work against the Republicans.  I dont care who the dems nominate in future elections, I am done with them – and done with anyone who runs as one for the sake of some imaginary unity.  It is bull shit.

      Its us, the many, the working class and the poor, against the oligarch that, even more maddeningly, so many supported in their votes for Biden.

      So be it.  I am never voting for a Democrat again.

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    • #303423
      MizzGrizz
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      ..no matter what Bernie says.

      He made a promise to support the nominee and he is keeping his word.That promise does not bind me.

      I wouldn’t vote for Joe Biden for dogcatcher.

    • #303462
      Average Gazoo
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      He was talking about people in the recording industry but the maxim applies broadly:

      People expect the decisions and behaviors in others that they themselves would do. So people who fear blinding partisanship from the right simultaneously expect similar behavior on the left.

      I see a similar thing in insults, a phenomenon I call the ‘reflexive insult.’ Whatever insult people would find most hurtful to receive is the one they will blurt out in a verbal battle.  For example Trump calls his opponents “weak” — being perceived as weak is what Trump fears most.

      Be the Change

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