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    Democrats search for Russians — any Russians — for collusion story

    Democrats search for Russians — any Russians — for collusion story
    Jonathan Turley
    The Hill

    In a letter from the Democratic senior minority counsel for the committee, April Doss, various individuals and groups were told to reveal not just any Russian citizens with which they have associated but anyone that an organization “knows or has reason to believe [is] of Russian nationality or descent.” Any degree of Russian blood.

    The Senate not only demanded information on anyone of Russian descent involved in the 2016 election but involved in some capacity in “activities that related in any way to the political election process in the U.S.” So these individuals and groups are expected to reveal the names and association with anyone with any Russian blood who acted “in any way” with any aspect of the “political election process in the U.S.”

    The demand for information from the Senate has gone out to a wide range of individuals, including Jill Stein, the 2016 Green Party candidate. As a struggling third party, it is particularly concerning for the Green Party to disclose its supporters and associations to a committee composed of members from the two dominant parties.

    The forced disclosure of such names has long been viewed as a threat to core constitutional rights. In the 1958 case National Association for the Advancement of Colored People v. Alabama, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Alabama in seeking the list of members from the NAACP. The court ruled that the disclosure of such names “may induce members to withdraw from the Association and dissuade others from joining it because of fear of exposure of their beliefs shown through their associations and of the consequences of this exposure.”

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  • nevereVereven (4262 posts)
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    1. By that standard, I may be one of the conspirators they're looking for.

    Last year, several Russian ladies bought items from me via eBay- obviously, they did that in order to meddle in our elections.

    Follow the trail of this international conspiracy: under the guise of acquiring some vintage needlepoint kits, they transferred rubles FROM RUSSIAN BANK ACCOUNTS to PayPal…those dirty evil rubles were laundered into U.S. dollars and transferred to my one-man sleeper cell here in PennsylTucky, where I used the funds to purchase food and gasoline….and that food and gas allowed me to stay alive and go to the polls on Election Day, where I VOTED AGAINST CLINTON.

    See? Direct Russian influence!


    You know what’s a bigger problem, IMO? Somewhere, a computer controlled by the U.S. Government just flagged this post.

    A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
  • NJOCK (699 posts)
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    2. There is not going to be any

    Edward R. Murrow “Have you no decency??” moment in this “Russia!” bullshit.

    The tide of truth to America-that this is all a fabrication of the Democrats- will be slow but it is happening.

    “The first revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things, and see there might be another way to look at it that you have not been shown. What you see later on is the results of that, but that revolution, that change that takes place will not be televised.” -Gil Scott-Heron
    • JimLane (1746 posts)
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      5. That wasn't Edward R. Murrow, it was Joseph N. Welch.

      Give the lawyers credit where it’s due!

      For the benefit of anyone who doesn’t recognize the “decency” quotation, I wrote out an explanation, but then lost it when I had to prove I wasn’t a bot.  This captcha thing is really a pain.

      The reference is to Welch’s confrontation with Joe McCarthy during the Army-McCarthy hearings in 1954.

      • NJOCK (699 posts)
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        8. I suck when I come on here

        and post after some “Crosby,Stills and Hash.”

        Apologies for my idiocy.

        “The first revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things, and see there might be another way to look at it that you have not been shown. What you see later on is the results of that, but that revolution, that change that takes place will not be televised.” -Gil Scott-Heron
        • JimLane (1746 posts)
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          9. I respectfully disagree.

          My guess is that, even on a board like JPR, populated by politically aware leftists, only a minority could invoke the quotation “At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

          If I’m right, then, even in your pharmacologically befuddled state, you’re above average.

  • Blackspade (3717 posts)
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    3. WTF is this bullshit?

    Russian decent?

    The recipients need to tell April Doss to go fuck herself.

  • Yanath (1061 posts)
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    4. If our political leaders

    were genuinely motivated to make our election process secure, they would do so. But by necessity, that would mean eliminating the mechanism for quid pro quo, which is private money financing political campaigns.

    What these people are ‘investigating’, has nothing to do with elections. This is about limiting political speech in the U.S., paricularly online.

  • bemildred (6849 posts)
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    6. Me! Me! I want to be on the list. I worked with a Russian once.

    Told them it was OK to hire her and everything.

    It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
  • JimLane (1746 posts)
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    7. As Turley states, there is evidence. This overbroad demand is counterproductive

    Turley identifies himself as someone who has supported the investigations by Congress and Mueller.  He does not share what seems to be the view of many on JPR, that the whole thing is a hoax.  Instead, he points out that evidence has been found.  (He doesn’t go into detail, but, you know, Don Jr. did meet with the Russians, whether or not we agree with Bannon’s guess that Don Sr. got involved.)  Turley’s point is that the evidence hasn’t emerged through sweeping demands based on Russian ancestry.

    I agree with him that this kind of crap undermines the credibility of a legitimate investigation.

  • snot (1195 posts)
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    10. Me! I bought a car from a Russian salesman,

    which I used to drive myself to vote in several elections.

    https://www.battleforthenet.com/                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         1% “To Do” list:

    1.  Control banking; 2.  Control communications (including “news” media); 3.  Control the government; 4.  Control education ; ....

  • Cassiopeia (3042 posts)
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    11. Over a year and zero evidence has been presented in regards to Russian meddling.

    No evidence has been presented because it doesn’t exist.

    Hillary lost because she’s a piece of shit and the American people rejected her.

    The only minority we should fear is the 1%


    I miss momcat.