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      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (AP) — The Department of Homeland Security paused its new disinformation governance board Wednesday and the board’s director will resign, following weeks of criticism from Republicans and questions about whether the board would impinge on free speech rights.

      While the board was not formally shuttered, it will be reviewed by members of a DHS advisory council that’s expected to make recommendations in 75 days. Nina Jankowicz, picked to lead the board, wrote in her resignation letter that the board’s future was “uncertain,” according to her letter, obtained by The Associated Press.

      Federal and state agencies treat disinformation as a national security threat. But the new board was hampered from the start by questions about its purpose and an uneven rollout that further confused its mission. The phrase “Ministry of Truth” — a reference to George Orwell’s “1984” — has repeatedly trended online in discussions about the board.

      Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas made the decision in response to the cumulative negative reaction and growing concerns that it was distracting from the department’s other work on disinformation, according to two department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

      Full story hereLOL! 20 Republican Attorneys General said they’d make a federal case of it just yesterday, and that little cheerleader who was going to run the board has resigned. Public pressure seems to have worked here. 

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    • #487477
      Yanath
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      This administration of noecons thought they could slip the fellow lunatic, Nina Jankowicz in there without anyone noticing. I’d bet she’s popular at that nest, DU.

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      NV Wino
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      🙄

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        jbnw
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        The Real Underlying Transparent Honesty

    • #487507
      Babel 17
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      I’m assuming it’s now OK to approve of free speech.

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    • #487510
      Dunatus
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      The fact that these authoritarian neoliberal turds think so, shows them to be the scum we all know them to be. Interesting that the author of this piece seems to only stress the Republican pushback rather than that from the left.

      • #487533
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        @Dunatus

        There IS no left, thereby the need for our legislators to have to travel so far right, it re-defines the new left… Republicans are re-defining the new left. Now, if they could only get the religious “right” to pop out from up their ass, we’d really test that theory.

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      mrdmk
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      It is more than unimaginable. To further the point, nobody in the Democratic Party said, “Maybe we should think about this!”

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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    • #487536
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      If it can’t survive a short disinformation campaign from the right wing.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #487549
      David the Gnome
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      Has always been plentiful.  The difference now is that a group of clueless assholes have taken it upon themselves to police “disinformation” everywhere, especially online.  They don’t know the “truth” of things any better than anyone else, if anything, they know less than the average person.  It is such a load of crap.

      A worthy endeavor might be to start policing advertisements for drugs.  Or perhaps policing the MSM for outright lies and absurdly grotesque brown nosing to the powers that be.  Heh – and while I’m dreaming…

      These thought police are the worst kinds of liars, spreading the worst kinds of disinformation.  That it is harmful, that people are too stupid to figure out the difference, that they have any right at all to determine what one can or cannot say based on some institutional opinion of what subjective “truths” are.

      Fuck them all.  These petty tyrants never should have been given any authority.

    • #487553
      MizzGrizz
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      That they just said the endeavor was “paused”?

      That means they’ll slip it past us again in a few months when our backs are turned.

      • #487554
        JonLP
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        If they brought it up again it would lead to the same complaints and accusations

        from the link

        “The Board has been grossly and intentionally mischaracterized: it was never about censorship or policing speech in any manner,” the department said in a statement. “It was designed to ensure we fulfill our mission to protect the homeland, while protecting core Constitutional rights.”

        It seemed to focus on foreign disinformation targeting the US which I don’t have a problem with.

        Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia are top sources of online misinformation
        https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

         

         

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        • #487555
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          It comes down to determining what curated news we see.  The $MSM parrots anything they are told. I do have a problem with that.  When the government decides what is “disinformation”, and that government openly disseminates propaganda and disinformation, what we are really talking about is a Ministry of Truth.  I think that yes, this will pop up again.

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      David the Gnome
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      @jonlp

      Foreign disinformation targeting the U.S….. sure, there’s plenty of propaganda.  The way to fight propaganda is not to seek to control it – such an effort is futile.  Even if you could – it would be morally repulsive.  This is because truth and lies are not simple equations.  Ask our own media, politicians, FBI, CIA, NSA or what have you.

      You are trusting the same sort of people who pulled off operation paperclip and MKultra.  The same people who like to tell us that freedom isn’t free – right before signing the Patriot Act into law.

      Even if you are correct in your trust that they are looking to combat “foreign disinformation” do you realize the implications?  How well do you think these thought police can differentiate between foreign disinformation and opinion?  If they have carte blanche, why would they even bother to try?

      It was the U.S. authorities that lied to the world about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  The same authorities that killed hundreds of thousands via sanctions for years before that.  The U.S. authorities passed Citizens United, killed net neutrality.

      Those policies you say you have no problem with?  What about books?  If they hold disinformation, should they be banned?  Or… Perhaps, in a Nation founded (supposedly) on principles like freedom of speech, might it be okay to let even “foreigners” say what they please?

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        So far I see those are accusations from Republicans.

        I was trying to find more info on the board would do. The article says “counter”

        They also seem to be concerned about misinformation smugglers are giving to migrants about US border policies.

        https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-immigration-media-europe-misinformation-4e873389889bb1d9e2ad8659d9975e9d


        @djean111
        is right it will probably be more Russiagate but information warfare is key to their operations.

        There are other departments that can monitor and track misinformation which they already do.

        Actually until I find out more on the specifics I oppose this board because it isn’t really clear what they plan to do about it.

         

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        Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

        • #487564
          djean111
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          here at JPR.  Unless you believe not carrying water for the Democrats makes folks Republicans.

          And information warfare is key to US operations, both at home and abroad.  Like, say, Nazis are not surrendering, they are being evacuated.  And so forth.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #487636
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          @djean111 caught one big one–if Republicans complain about it then it isn’t real. That’s classic Democrat cult stuff right there–only get your information from “trusted” sources. It’s also false. I’ve seen a LOT of criticism from the left, the real left–socialists, communists, also anarchists.

          The contention that information warfare is key Russian operations is also US Empire propaganda. That’s almost pure projection. It is the US that engages in information warfare, and misinformation warfare at that, more than any other major power. The reason is simple–the US has to lie about its objectives. The Russians? Not so much. RT, for example, has far more objective coverage of the war in Ukraine than any major Western media source. That’s just a fact.

           

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          • #487657
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            The article mentions Republicans. I didn’t see that they would police online content—that would be up to the social media companies. The government can’t compel them to remove it without running into first amendment issues. I’m not sure how they intend to “counter” so I oppose it until I find out more.

            Both the US and Russia engages in information warfare. Learning more about the U.S. foreign policy helped me recognize similar tactics by Russia.

            They have a lot of reasons to lie. They are now fighting a conventional war in Ukraine and they need to spin events to their advantage.

            Denazification — the far right parties in Ukraine are small compared to some other countries in Europe. They have the Azov battalion but I don’t see that they existed before the 2014 civil war.

            Genocide in Donbas — https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin/putin-repeats-long-running-claim-genocide-ukraine/

            I have seen the anti-war left go from Saddam doesn’t have WMDs (which is true) to Ukraine has WMDs.

            Russia uses the propaganda because they are attacking a former colony with a lot of civilian deaths. They need to find a way to justify all that.

            Western media is biased but I wouldn’t expect objective reporting from Russia state media sources.

             

            Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

            Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

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