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    • #416974
      jbnw
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      Do you know someone who did in other countries?

      I was very surprised to hear from my former Soviet conductor friend that he didn’t even know of the Cold War when he was a student near Moscow, but he’s the only person I know from there in that age range. Apparently, they didn’t want to cause distress to their schoolchildren.

      In Moscow (Idaho!) we didn’t have duck & cover exercises, but I remember watching Holocaust, concentration camp and nuclear test movies and “The Triumph of the Will” for history studies. Some of those images remain with me today.

      So – was it only the US, and was it all over the US?

    • #416977
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      nuclear or otherwise. As young children, we were simply instructed about what to do if there were an emergency – I think there were community alarms every … Monday? at 10:00 a.m. or something. The alarm would sound and we would get under our desks with our hands over the back of our heads. I didn’t figure out until later what that had been about. Can’t remember what stopped first – the duck-and-cover drill or the sounding of the alarms, but I think it was sometime in the 80’s that they brought all of it to an end.

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    • #416978
      tk2kewl
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      we had drills where went into the hall and sat on the floor wth our backs against the wall and our heads between our ;knees early 70s

    • #416979
      So Far From Heaven
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      Considering that I grew up in the bomb making capitol of the world……

      Duck and cover was an exercise for years.

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      In California of the 1960s, they didn’t fan the icicles (I suppose that is better than ‘flames’) of the Cold War.  There was the neighbor lady across the street though, that was sure that Fidel Castro was going to nab her one day while she was watering her cactus.   She died before FOX news appeared on the scene, but she fit their target audience to a ‘T’.

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    • #416984
      Pam2
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      We only had tornado drills and fire drills.

      Edit- and I don’t remember any war movies in school. They used to let us watch some of the Nasa launches on TV though.

       

      • #417315
        ArtfromArk
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        Tornado drills and fire drills.

        It’s ironic that we didn’t have a tornado drill on the only day that we had a chance of having a tornado during school. On that day, the sky turned so black at noon that the streetlights came on. We were so amazed that we just stared out the windows.

        “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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        ArtfromArk
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        We could get our fill of war stuff just by watching the evening news.

        “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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      Duck and cover under the classroom desks OR (if there was more warning)

      File to the basement cafeteria and get under the tables….

      In defense of the fear-mongering – at least some of these drills were for tornadoes…..I know though that other aspects were nuclear related.

      Now in my OK hometown they have to have earthquake drills/emergency plans due to the ‘fallout’ from the fracking.

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    • #416991
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      We did get under our desks for tornado drills. In high school, Hiroshima by John Hersey was required reading, and we did see some films of the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What I remember most, though, was when we were required in history class to watch the World War II newsreel footage of the concentration camps in Germany right after they were liberated.

      There was a large German-American population in my part of Texas, and many of those kids had been taught by their families that Hitler was not a bad man and the Holocaust never happened. Some of those parents even protested, but the school district stood firm, and so did local officials. I think that’s why they made the course mandatory in the first place. Bet it isn’t any more.

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      • #417003
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        and it was why I recognized them in Spielberg’s Schindler’s List.

        Those are memories I would like to erase – even better, if they had never happened.

    • #416996
      HassleCat
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      I think many people realized it was useless, and just scared the kids. I remember doing it once in 1962 (?)

    • #416998
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      I remember “I led 3 Lives” on TV.
      It was on from October 1, 1953, to January 1, 1956. My parents used to watch it.

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    • #416999
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      There’s a series of video games set in Russia after an Apocalypse where the survivors use them as well.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_2033_%28video_game%29

       

      • #417006
        jbnw
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        and a train every three minutes.  When I got lost, I could step off the train, check my map on my phone app, and there would be another train 🙂

        The first I ever saw a station was in the movie Russia House, much of it filmed in Russia with Sean Connery and Michelle Pfeiffer.

        • #420270
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          I sometimes take the Tokyo subway, and it is really efficient. But I’d rather stay above-ground, if you know what I mean.

           

           

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          “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

          • #420301
            jbnw
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            I always considered it when I rode BART under San Francisco Bay between the city and Oakland.

            • #422515
              ArtfromArk
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              just try riding the train that passes through the 32-mile-long Seikan Tunnel between the Japanese islands of Honshu and Hokkaido. They even have an “undersea station” along the line called the “Kaiteieki”, where tourists can buy souvenirs of their experience.

              https://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/network/seikan/06.html

              “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

    • #417009
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      And, of course there was the emergency broadcast system test. We still get those every once in a while.

      Nothing Colorado for 4 school years, then films in California when we moved there. I guess they figured no one would bomb Colorado.

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      • #422526
        ArtfromArk
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        That could have been a prime target

        “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

        • #422539
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          Although, in those days, I don’t think any of the residents fully appreciated what was under/in Cheyenne Mountain.

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    • #417012
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      … in New York, we did until we didn’t.

      The teachers were not allowed to explain the purpose of these drills (in elementary school), which seemed very suspicious to us as children, since they went into rather a lot of detail about fire drills.

      In my school district, the duck and cover drills were discontinued sometime around 1973. My peers and I eventually understood that this was not because there was no more danger, but because we would die anyway.

    • #417018
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      Late 60’s to early 70’s in Flor. eh. duh.

      I suppose that is not surprising, given the state’s close proximity to Cuba. But those drills always struck me as absurd, surreal and ludicrous. I mean, if a nuclear bomb ever hit Florida, ducking under yer desk would be about as much help as farting, to stop a wind storm.

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    • #417052
      Punxsutawney
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      Quite routinely.

      FOR EARTHQUAKES.

      However I do remember the air-raid sirens from my childhood. The San Fernando Valley had massive aerospace manufacturing at the time, and Rocketdine. I saw a copy of the Soviet nuclear targeting map of the valley once. NOTHING WOULD HAVE SURVIVED if a third of those bombs made it through.

      I will say the old Nike-Ajax missle pads up in the Santa Monica mountains made great places to hang out and party.

       

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    • #417071
      roody
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      I didn’t take them very seriously.  Somehow I knew that if there was an atom bomb, we would all be dead.

    • #417079
      Bernie Boomer
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      We had so many drills I couldn’t begin to guess which was which.
      I know they taught us to drag mattresses into the central hallway of our base housing and get under them in case of tornadoes (Wichita Falls, TX).
      In 1964 Sheppard AFB took a direct hit by an F5.
      My mom was a Gray Lady at the hospital (which got hit, but they had already moved most of the patients to a newly built unit). My dad was in the air with all the other AF pilots.
      So my older siblings dragged the mattresses into the hallway and we all huddled underneath. Our house was almost completely spared. The house next door was lifted right off the foundation (no one at home, fortunately).
      I can still remember the sound of all our windows imploding from the pressure wave.

      So, I guess all those drills helped. Ducking under our desks, however, wouldn’t have done anything except make it easier for us to kiss our asses goodbye.

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        Bernie Boomer
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        That was cool to watch – certainly a different perspective from my long-ago memories (that mostly include terror and my middle sister’s butt in my face because shoving five kids between the age of two and fifteen under a tent made from four twin sized mattresses did not leave much room).

        Thank you for sharing that!

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      @bernieboomer

      I was an Army brat and we lived in Texas twice (San Antonio) but we never experienced any twisters fortunately.

    • #417126
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      By the third grade (circa 1967) we were calling it, “Duck and kiss your ass goodbye!” We had no illusions about the survivability of a nuclear war.

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    • #417131
      eridani
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      There was always the inevitable smart comment “Get under your desk, put your head between your knees, and kiss your ass goodbye.”

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    • #417208
      jbnw
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      It looks like most had some experiences with it, but not all, and I’ll have to continue to look for answers to how, or if, it was presented in other classrooms around the world.

    • #417258
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      in the sixties. we’d go into the hallway lean against the walls covering our heads. it was definitely for nukes.

      I don’t remember doing it in high school. Later when i was in the Navy on the ship during general quarters sometimes they would call out on the intercom, brace for shock wave. Everyone joked bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye.

      • #417268
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        Late 80s and very early 90s. We had a chemical attack drill once in four years, just before we went into the Persian Gulf. But nothing nuclear.

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          soryang
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          1975-77 workup cruise workup with a yard spell in between. one med cruise, lots of Russian warships around us.

    • #417265
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      I went to grade school in the 90s when people thought the Cold War was over. Columbine happened in the late 90s which was a shocker at the time but that was before they changed things at school. When I was in the 9th grade the Junior High that is when I started seeing students required to have school IDs and security and police officers at school.

      I didn’t have to do active shooter drills either.

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    • #417273
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      Yes. I remember in kindergarten and 1st grade. Late 60s. They were called air raid drills. Had a harsh buzzer that sounded different from the fire drill bell.

      I remember one kid asking our teacher why we put our hands over our heads. I still rember her answer: “Bevause it’s easier to fix your hands than your head”.

    • #417300
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      The survival in apocalypse shit was presented in 1969 and was really over the top…

      Visuals (which may have been quite bloody, possibly realistic simulations) of sucking chest wounds, ax wounds in feet, fingers lost in power saws. And the survival part included pictures of eating out of a moldy refrigerator after “power had been out for over a week”. Grossly gross.

      Several of the kids fainted at the sight of blood, and bounced on the floor. We were then yelled at by coaches pretending to be drill instructors. We dumbasses were supposrd to rush to their side and give appropriate first aid, of course the coaches weren’t supposted to give aid. They of course were just expected to yell at the rest of us.

      I have no idea who got that crap into the curriculum, but I never saw anything as dreadful in Army basic training, or during my welcome to Vietnam refresher orientations.

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    • #417303
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      Affects: happens to you. Effects: what it did.
      Not sure which is proper but my very core is still “affected” by those duck and cover drills.

      I grew up an army brat.

      Outside of a short time at Ft.Carson Colorado, our family bounced between Ft.Lewis, Washington and three different bases in Germany.

      After reading the above comments, I am now hard pressed to recall Duck and Cover Drills while in schools in Germany.

      Grade schools at Ft.Lewis otoh, we had those damned things at least monthly…scared the hell out of me.

      I knew what they were for-I knew Ft.Lewis, (now Joint Base Lewis McCord or JBLM), was ground zero for a nuke or many nukes.

      I saw the films about Hiroshima, the shadows that once were people burned into concrete…I knew that would be our fate!

      It was always an eternity before the principal would come on the P.A.system to give us the all clear…yes I was one traumatised kid!

      Later I split my junior high at nearby Dupont Washington and then Berlin Germany.

      Dupont was a small town just across the Highway,(I-5), from Ft.Lewis.

      While at Dupont, in my early teens I began strategizing my escape to the nearby Nisqually river delta and then south…all depending if I somehow survived a nuke attack at Ft.Lewis.

      Then we moved to Berlin. Would we get nuked there?

      I rationalized that wasn’t going to be our fate but I suspected that the Russian tanks would just roll over us.

      It was at this time I began asking myself why-why would Russia want to go to war with us?

      It was the early 1970s, the Cold War was still going strong and here I was in Berlin Germany beginning to figure out that it takes two to make wars.

      Anti-war protests were rampant across the the U.S. (or so we read in the Stars and Stripes), more anti-war protests were becoming common in Berlin and Frankfurt.

      IIRC I was still in 10th grade when we left Berlin…I knew by now that the U.S. was not the “good guys”. I knew then that Viet-Nam was a bull-shit war that we should not have ever become involved with.

      No-I could not fully translate my feelings back then by citing U.S.Geopolitical history but I knew that my country used it’s “big stick” for stirring up ants nests.

      Viet Nam was one such ant’s nest.

      It was not our country, we were wasting billions of tax dollars there plus there was all that bloodshed on both sides.

      After a short stint in the Army, again over in Germany, I returned to the U.S. and eventually found myself at jr.college near what is now JBLM.

      Again my thoughts turned to escape should we start a Nuke war.

      By this time I had read that the Russians planned only to launch their nukes in retaliation-I knew that my country was willing to do a first strike launch of our nukes.

      From that alone, it was pretty obvious to me who the bad guys were.

      Eventually I went on to get my B.A. up in Bellingham’s Western Washington University…and you know what? Yep I had an exit strategy even there should we go to a nuke war.

      Looking back, I would have to say that those Duck and Cover Drills formed much of a core fear for me.

      That core fear molded me over the decades into being solidly anti-war.

      While it is true that the locations I grew up at had some affect on me in this regards, I think that that child crouched under his desk, sharp objects removed from his pockets and hand clasped behind his head had the more profound effect.

      So that’s my story. That is why I present my further thinkings on this matter to you moving foreward:

      What if schools, as a deliberate passive show of protest, (but more than that-much more actually) reinstated those Duck and Cover drills.

      Do so deliberately across our nation.

      Show the kids the films of Hiroshima-have the older kids write papers on the Cold War and this new Cold War or research why those Duck and Cover Drills might be needed someday.

      In other words scare the hell out of them like I once was.

      My thinking here is twofold:

      First is to get parents questioning the necessity of the drills-(they will), but at the same time get them to open their eyes as to what is going on around them: WE ARE IN A NEW COLD WAR!

      It is due to a runaway Military Industrial Complex, a government galivanting across our planet making wars in third world countries-stealing their resources.

      Let these parents ask why NATO has pushed itself right up to the very borders of Russia…let them ask about all the sabre rattlings going on between the U.S. and Russia.

      Let this become a primary issue between the citizenry and our government.

      If this becomes big enough, our government will be forced to respond to our citizenry.

      We can drive the warmongers from our government, we can make that same government put our tax money to better uses other than war.

      Secondly, let these kids grow up fearful like I did and once they reach voting age, let them be the second prong of a direct attack against the damned warmongers.

      Thank you for your time…I hope to hear your thoughts.

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        JonLP
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        My unit was in North Fort Lewis and there is an Air Force Base next door. I’m very familiar with the nearby areas and the Lakewood-Tacoma area. I did like living in Washington.

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          Both my mother and father worked at North Fort at different times.

          My youngest brother was stationed there, some kind of fancy communication outfit IIRC but while there he had a tragic accident involving Rimrocks cliffs near Eatonville.

          Of the at least three times my father served at Ft.Lewis, he was in the 4th Infantry Division, then the 6th Army and I forget which unit at Ft.Lewis he finally retired from.

          Before retiring, my father ran a mess-hall on North Fort and later was the chef at North Fort’s NCO club.

          My mother also worked at that same NCO club for a brief time after my father retired from the Army.

          Much earlier, at the age of 13, my chum and I would ride our bikes all over Ft.Lewis including North Fort.

          We were quite familiar with the small arms ranges on North Fort and that road that went by the sewage treatment plant down to Solo Point on Puget Sound.

          I knew that should the nukes start falling, if I could make it to Solo Point, it was just a short trek south along the railroad tracks to the Nisqually Delta.

          With our prevailing winds blowing out of the west I figured that I had a chance to survive on that delta by myself if needsbe.

          Can you imagine a young teen having to think such thoughts? Well this teen did and
          they truly formed my long lasting core fears.

          I am quite serious when I say that I obsessed about the possibility of a nuke war and what I would do to try to maximize my survival chances.

          These memories…I’ve an appointment with my therapist coming up in a week or so. She is young, very pretty…more importantly she is wicked smart!

          I believe I need to bring these memories to her attention.

    • #417371
      Pam2
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      I didn’t have to duck and cover but I did see this movie in the 1980s. 🙂

    • #417373
      retired liberal
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      We need new leaders, for the sake of our survival. The last time the United States won a war was WWII. We’ve had our asses handed to us too many times, by rock throwers and those armed with nothing more than AK-47’s against our “superior” weapons and air superiority. And still we keep invading other countries, toppling their duly elected government and stealing their resources.

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      putting one hand across our eyes and the other hand on our neck when the teacher yelled “DROP”! This was supposed  to protect our eyes and neck from an atomic blast when the “Ruskies” dropped  the bomb! 🥴🤯

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