Donald Trump is a man of peace – his enemies are a war machine

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    • #4269
      N2Doc
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      War brings our elite together

      Daniel McCarthy

      Donald Trump is the only peace president the United States has had since the end of the Cold War, and his enemies hate him for it. ‘Peace president’ is a relative term, of course, but as yet there is no Trump war comparable to George H.W. Bush’s Persian Gulf War, Bill Clinton’s war against Yugoslavia, George W. Bush’s invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and Barack Obama’s gruesome regime-change bungle in Libya. Instead, the most conspicuous foreign-policy achievement of the Trump administration to date is de-escalation on the Korean Peninsula, along with the stamping out of ISIS. And with ISIS broken, Trump is bringing America’s soldiers home from Syria in victory – a startling contrast to the interminable, slow-motion defeats that are characteristic of most other presidential wars of the last 25 years. Afghanistan, to name one – a war-zone that everyone fully expects the enemy to reconquer the minute US forces leave.

      Peace, after all, means two things: either not fighting in the first place or else fighting and winning, so that the conflict ends. Curiously, America’s political establishment, in what purports to be Trump’s party as well as in the party opposed to him, finds peace of either kind unacceptable. So the president’s announcement of a withdrawal of US forces from Syria has been met with predictable outrage from Democratic House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi and from Republican Senators like Cory Gardner and Marco Rubio. The elite pundit class reflects exactly the same range of opinion – or rather, lack of range, with formerly antiwar left-wing commentators joining NeverTrump Republican writers in condemning the president for winding up a military intervention.

      The contrast between the alarm felt by elites over this move by Trump (and over his efforts at peace with North Korea as well) and their gushing enthusiasm for Trump’s missile strikes against Syria last year is revealing. As personally reviled as Trump is, he won instant accolades when he seemed to be on the verge of committing himself to the same interventionist path his recent predecessors have followed. The one thing powerful enough to annul the political and opinion elite’s hatred for Trump is that same elite’s love of military intervention. Peace is antithetical to the anti-Trump elements in Washington, whether they are Republican or Democratic, liberal, progressive, or supposedly conservative.

      https://spectator.us/donald-trump-peace-war-machine/

       

      He makes some good points. One can argue about just how much the US had to do with ‘breaking’ IS, but the truth is most of the establishment is in favor of perpetual war

    • #4278
      Joe Shlabotnik
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      However the statement that war unites the elites regardless of party is absolutely true.

      If Trump pulls this off I’ll give him full credit.

      ~ All good things are Wild and Free ~

    • #4303
      Hobbit709
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      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #4305
      sadoldgirl
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      Trump has no problem putting sanctions on countries, which

      can cause as much death as bombing. It is not as obvious and

      takes more time, but it can work to achieve the same goal. We

      should remember Allbright’s  words about the 500,000 children’s

      death in Iraq :”We think it was worth it!”

       

    • #4323
      Ohio Barbarian
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      “Mother of all bombs” on Afghans. He sure as the sun rises hasn’t hesitated to order air or drone strikes any less than Obama did. Furthermore, this is from The Spectator, a notorious right wing propaganda rag that has no more credibility with me than MSNBC or Fox.

      This is a bunch of hooey.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #4357
      Average Gazoo
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      What to make of these moves? My guess is that Trump is preparing for the 2020 elections.  These aren’t beltway moves and they weren’t done with nuance or incrementalism, neither of which seem to be part of Trump’s style.

      Why he did these and how sincere he is is anyone’s guess but if the DNC thinks they are going to win 2020 by going to the right of Trump they are wrong.  I want the DNC and their cigar smoke filled backroom picked candidate to have to compete in the populist landscape that Trump’s words and moves are creating.

      This is Trump moving to the political middle. It would be nice to see the DNC move to the left (or even the middle-left) but they won’t, thus guaranteeing Trump another term.

      Be the Change

    • #4406
      peacecorps
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      is his weakness. He believes in two kinds of unilateralism – American exceptionalism (we can go it alone and do whatever we want in our ‘national interest’) – and ‘Trump unilateralism” (Trump can decide by himself what America will do (without consultation from within the country or from allies internationally) just go with his ‘gut’.

      The ‘Great Disrupter’ achieves the disruption he is after – occasionally in a peaceful, progressive direction, more often in a bellicose, conservative direction. I celebrate his occasional peaceful progressive moves but understand the danger of Trump unilateralism for the country and the world.

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

      • #4426
        Ohio Barbarian
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        To go further, Trump has no policies. None. His actions are like his tweets–“erratic and compulsive” are as accurate a description as any–he does whatever he thinks will enrich himself or gain him the most favorable ratings in his own mind at the time.

        He also clearly listens to certain radical right wing voices, and jumps to at least appear to do their bidding with no consideration at all for other factors, like depriving hundreds of thousands of federal employees paycheck during the winter holidays, of all times, or ordering withdrawal of troops from Syria “within 30 days” with  absolutely no thought given to the logistics of an orderly withdrawal(chaotic withdrawals are usually bad).

         

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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