Donald Trump is not a traitor. He is an overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of grandeur, but no more a traitor than Rachel Maddow is a journalist.

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    Ohio Barbarian
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    After 20 months of an investigation by the Justice Department and the FBI, there are a few things that are now crystal clear. Donald Trump is not a traitor. He did not conspire with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election from the neoliberal, identity politics darling of the fake left, Hillary Clinton. This should not be a surprise. Even traitors have to consider the interests of other people, and Trump is incapable of that. He isn’t Putin’s bitch. He’s only his own bitch.

    He’s a pathetic, cheap con artist who only got to where he is by accident of birth, systemic oligarchical corruption, and the good luck to face first a bevy of worthless Republicans and then the only candidate, with the possible exception of Joe Biden, the Democrats could nominate whom he could beat by a combination of Fascist and racist appeals and the sheer corruption and arrogance of said Democratic candidate.

    This, in essence, sums up Robert Mueller’s findings. But why was there a Special Prosecutor appointed to investigate alleged Russian government interference in the election in the first place? It wasn’t the pitiful Russian efforts to boost Trump, which they did simply because he wasn’t Hillary and Hillary was campaigning on a platform of practically waging war against them. It wasn’t even because the DNC emails had been hacked by the Russians, if that’s even true, but who cares? How can Americans even cry foul about that, in light of what we have done to other countries’ elections and governments over the centuries?

    No. It was because Hillary herself and her supporters failed to accept responsibility for their own colossal refusal to offer the systemic change that the American people so desperately want and need, because those corrupt Vichy Democrats benefit from the same corrupt system of which Donald Trump is only a symptom. They don’t want to change it. They want to accelerate it, for their own greed, for their own benefit.

    So how does that make them any better than Trump? In 2016, that question was answered by the electorate. It doesn’t.

    This whole Russiagate mess was the most pathetic, transparent, and corrupt manipulation of the media since the same group of oligarchs, both Republican and Democratic, lied their  way into the Iraq War. Glenn Greenwald says it might even be more pathetic, and he might be right. Oh, fewer people died because of it, but the corruption of the corporate media is laid bare.

    There are many culprits, but I will single out Rachel Maddow simply because she was the most strident and persistent on this whole Russia! nonsense. Paid $10 million a year by NBC, damned near every night she preached that Donald Trump was a Russian agent, a willing tool of the Kremlin, a traitor to Truth, Justice, and the American Way. She repeated wild conspiracy theories as established fact, and damned all who questioned her baseless allegations as naive at best and treacherous at worst. Meanwhile, MSNBC went along with it because of ratings in their relentless pursuit of profit.

    Rachel Maddow’s show is, in effect, just another reality TV show, and it turns out to be based on every bit as much actual reality as The Apprentice or Survivor. Well, maybe even less than Survivor. Gods! How low my country has sunk. And the thing is, there will be no investigation of Maddow or Chris Hayes or any other talking head for spewing total falsehoods. No, they will go on, spinning their garbage into gold as their devoted watchers continue to suck up their drivel.

    Just how are those people really any better than Trump supporters?

    There is, however, one great big silver lining. The American corporate media has been thoroughly discredited. They’ve shown themselves to be nothing but the paid shills they truly are, and far less capable of real journalism than any of my cats. Facts don’t matter to them, and it’s obvious.

    Over the next year or so, as these 1% propagandists turn their attack machine on Bernie Sanders and other progressives, in the minds of most Americans will be the question: If they were so full of shit when they said Trump was a traitor, then why should we believe them when they say Bernie and other progressives want to turn us into Venezuela or Stalinist Russia? That doubt will remain, whether the attacks come from people like Maddow, her followers on SV, or from true rightwing Fascists like Donald Trump.

    Maybe Robert Mueller’s done some good after all.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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    I bet he hates Tribbles too. I know they’d hate him.

    “The supreme reality of our time is the vulnerability of this planet.” John F. Kennedy

    • #44341

      Ohio Barbarian
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      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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      NV Wino
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      My absolute favorite episode.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

  • #44336

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    Well said.  From the first “impeach Trump” I always asked “for what high crime?”  Just because we neither like nor approve means there are grounds for impeachment.

    • #44362

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      like I say, winning against Hillary Clinton isn’t even a misdemeanor

      this has serious longterm consequences for the media: everyone left and right except the basement-dweller “donuts” are sick of them–they have no allies left, like the mobs of crying student protesters surrounding unquestionably-lefty professors and screaming profanities in their faces for hours at jet-engine volume without even knowing what the professor was supposed to have done

      they 1. cheated Sanders, 2. promoted Trump, 3. lost to Trump, and 4. just handed Trump a massive and immunizing political victory unseen in 78 years; when Trump calls them a shady mass of putschists and siloviki I’m not gonna be charging the APCs under a cloud of tear gas

      the press decided that their sole job was not even to misinform but to do nothing other than block true news of Hillary Clinton; heck if you ask the creationist Virginia Heffernan the country was founded with the specific intent of concealing Clinton’s actions 240 years later and the 28th Amendment be ratified to that effect (think I’m kidding?); Obama got good press but there were also alternative outlets pointing out he’d lied about everything–those lefty outlets were going to be synchronized under Clinton (and PropOrNot would take care of the rest); they adored Obama but we have the minutes and emails of the meetings where they sold themselves body and soul to Clinton

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    My first thought was that Maddow was once a journalist, but like many people for some reason (Trump) suddenly became totally unhinged, but it is also possible that they were always worthless, evil puppets and Trump just made them show their true colors.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      I agree. She was a pretty good journalist back in the Pacifica radio days. Money corrupts.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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      A 10 million dollar annual salary would unhinge a lot of people, and make them say, “Just tell me what you want, and I will obey!”

      We are going by you without fighting if you will let us, but we are going by you anyhow!
      Chief Joseph

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    No, Trump is not an effective traitor, because that would require

    very good brains. However. the “company he keeps” could support

    this suspicion. The plan to use “collusion” did not just come from

    the Dems; it was/is supported by the MIC, IC as well as the corporate

    media. Otherwise it could not have kept alive for so long.

    Unless the establishment and the Repugs make the mistake to

    keep the report unavailable for Congress as well as the public,

    the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with further

    “investigations”. Rumor has it that the report may not be made

    available to Congress or the public. That would be a grave mistake

    on the right.

    As far as pundits go, they want money and/or fame. They will always

    move the goal post if necessary. I have yet to see a serious apology

    for their support of the WMD story. Reagan probably was correct

    when he claimed that the public would forget what he said a few

    days earlier.

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      In that case, the MIC and the intelligence community have been discredited as well. Surely that’s not a Bad Thing.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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      It wouldn’t surprise me if the Democratic leadership cut a deal with the Republicans to prevent the report from being published.  If the report is published, there very last talking points will be demolished.  As long as they can spin uncertainty into lockstep agreement with delusion, they will.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

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    sadoldgirl
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    No; as a matter of fact that could cause some very necessary changes.

    I just don’t see that coming, especially since the uniparty agrees with

    every military aggression, in spite of screaming “resist”.

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    Trump would sell out his wife in a heartbeat for a quick feel or a blow job from a hooker.  I have no doubt that he would sell out the US and the citizens of the US in a New York minute if his insatiable juvenile narcissistic ego saw enough reward in it.

    https://youtu.be/SgfU2aQ2r0s

    Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues! ~ Bernie

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    I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

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    David the Gnome
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    I think Trump has done things worthy of impeachment.  I never considered him a traitor, that word means something very specific and he does not match the definition.

    A corrupt, sleazy, hateful, despicable, ignorant pile of shit, well, yes – but not a traitor.  No more than most other politicians, in any event.  They betrayed the American people a long time ago, in favor of corporations, profit, the military industrial complex and so on.

    In that sense, most of them have at least betrayed what they pretend to stand for – and the people they claim to represent are not the people they represent.  We knew that.

    As this whole thing falls apart, it is likely that a number of Democrats and members of the media will be discredited.  To some extent.  Many of those who believed in his “treason” will go on believing in any event.

    A massive boost though – and political victory for the right.  Yeah, safe to say that most of us saw this coming.

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    Absolutely great post.   Please don’t think I am trying to exonerate our corrupt media, but we don’t know what Mueller found or didnt find and we may never know.  Mueller isn’t trustworthy, he is a Republican and they don’t want collusion exposed and bring down another Republican president .  That doesn’t mean they won’t “deal” with him in some other way and get him to not run in 2020.

    As far as exposing the Corp-Media as a reality show, it’s not going to make any more of an impact than exposing Survivor as a reality show. The general public will just shrug their shoulders and carry on.  They suffer from something like a Stockholm Syndrome.  They are beginning to believe their captors.  History has shown us that often when things get tough the people look for an easy way out.  Instead of fighting the hard fight like we face with climate change, they look to authoritative leaders that simplify their problems like blaming them on a minority group and then attacking that group.  This helped Trump win and the Dem Party establishment isn’t looking to solve that problem.

    Rachel Maddow is the poster child for our corrupted media.  Journalism is dead.

    Again, great post.

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    But Jill Stein, she’s still known to have colluded, or has every idea that Maddow & Friends believed in live on only to mock them?

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/

    • #45196

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      Reality has a way of mocking arrogant fools. Eventually.

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        I don’t think the media cares if they lie 24/7. They got the house flipped to the Dems 2018. “Mission Accomplished”

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          I have to ask, are you being sarcastic?

           

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          Thom Paine
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          duplicate

           

  • #45529

    Thom Paine
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    I think Glen Greenwald said, “Rachel Maddow is this generations Judith Miller.”

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