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    Dr. Donald R. Frey: 20 million reasons for Obamacare

    The author is the Dr. Roland L. Kleeberger professor of family medicine at the Creighton University School of Medicine.
    It can take a carpenter months to build a barn. But just about any jackass can kick one down in a day. — Old Midwestern adage
    If one were actually to believe the rhetoric of the recent presidential campaign, the Affordable Care Act, labeled by many as Obamacare, has been a disaster.

    Premiums are increasing, and to hear some politicians, the Affordable Care Act is to blame for any and all of our nation’s health care woes — including those that were present before the legislation’s passage.
    What possible reason could there be for keeping it?
    I can give you a reason. In fact, I’ll give you 20 million reasons.

    FULL story: http://www.omaha.com/opinion/dr-donald-r-frey-million-reasons-for-obamacare/article_659f88e7-994c-54aa-b7ce-e18b7deca570.html

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  • notesdev (1729 posts)
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    1. Fallacious premise

    Health insurance is not health care.

    Getting 20 million people to buy health insurance they can’t use because deductibles so large you may as well not be insured unless you have something fantastically expensive wrong with you, because they were forced to buy it at gunpoint, from the very insurance companies that wrote the ACA legislation to begin with, is not an accomplishment – it’s a crime.

    Articles like this one are an insult to the intelligence.

    Making an aspirin cost $200 for everyone else is NOT an acceptable solution to providing health care for people who need it. It’s a cost-shifting scam, that’s all it is.

    • jwirr (3849 posts)
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      3. Are you advocating ending the programs we have now? Medicare and Medicaid

      are also only “insurance” plans and work no different than ACA in that they are run by the government. This doctor is telling us that this cannot be done without a suitable replacement. For those of us here on JPR that would mean a single payer plan but that is not ready either. What the Rs are suggesting is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The ACA is bad because it is hooked to the insurance industry to the extent that they run it and like most greedy people they run it straight into the ground.

      Note: I say that Medicaid and Medicare are no different because I have to select a insurance company for both of them. Medica is still an insurance company.


      • notesdev (1729 posts)
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        4. Did I say that?

        Since when does getting rid of ACA have anything to do with ending Medicare and Medicaid?

        There’s an up/down question to be had on ACA, whether it is worth keeping, and the answer is no it is not – regardless of whether there is any replacement at all. It’s worse than nothing – to move to nothing at all is a distinct improvement over ACA.

        • jwirr (3849 posts)
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          5. I do not agree. I actually know a lot of people who are on it. No it is not

          perfect but there has to be something to replace it. To drop all coverage in January would hurt each and everyone of those people. Not to mention – if it is repealed what happens to those people who were placed on enhanced Medicaid and those who were given help paying for their care? ACA covers a lot of people who are NOT hurt by it as well as those who need something different. But it does not cover anyone who needs to go back to no coverage at all.

          • notesdev (1729 posts)
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            6. To keep it hurts everyone else

            To harm 300 million so that 20 million can benefit is neither a wise nor just policy.


            • jwirr (3849 posts)
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              7. where do you get the 300 million number?

              • notesdev (1729 posts)
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                8. That's everyone else

                It simply doesn’t make sense to cover some by making the cost prohibitive to others. It is both unnecessary and unjust. It’s easy to say “why would you take care away from this sick person”, but done this way, it prices all but the wealthy out of basic health care. Unless you’re so sick and poor that you have to participate, it’s an incredibly bad deal.

                As it stands now, few people know what they really are covered for, many people are still uncovered, and it has driven costs up so dramatically that that one sector now dominates the economy.

                A straight-up subsidy for those who can’t afford to pay is far cheaper and less complicated and should have been what was under discussion all along. ACA is plain old Fascism (merger of state and corporate power) not even still in the wrapper and the sooner we ditch it the better.

                • jwirr (3849 posts)
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                  9. You cannot do it that way. Many are already covered in the many government

                  programs that are not part of ACA or they are covered by their employees. The military has its own medical program and so do government employees.

  • djean111 (5219 posts)
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    2. My grandson works at Home Depot – $10 hour, 20-26 hours a week,

    trying to save for college.  last year his ACA premium with Humana, crap policy, was $51, after subsidies, with the proviso that if he did NOT MAKE AT LEAST $11,000 a year, he would have to pay back the subsidies, I think $150 or so a month.  I think he will squeak by.  His new premium with Humana? $223.00.  We will get a new, likely much worse, policy before the 15th.

    • *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things.  The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek.   Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
    You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.